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To: gbcdoj

It is consequently the office of St. Peter to support the Church, and to guard it in all its strength and indestructible unity. (Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum)

Exactly. That is a far cry from some vague, borderless mission of unity for heretics, infidels and schismatics. The office of St. Peter isn't open to some "new situation" that the non-Catholics will accept. Sorry, you don't make any point but mine.

The Council gives the reason for the primacy: guarding the unity of faith and the unity of communion. So much for the Pope not being a servant of unity

You're just imbibing in JPII's bafflegab. Being a guardian of doctrine is not being a servant of unity if that means finding some lowest common denominator to appeal to. The false eirenism that Pius XII condemned.

But the blessed Cyprian . . . among other things, says the following: "The beginning starts from unity, and the primacy is given to Peter, so that the Church and the chair of Christ may be shown (to be) one: and they are all shepherds, but the flock, which is fed by the Apostles in unanimous agreement, is shown to be one." (Pope Pelagius II, Letter to the Schismatic Bishops of Istria, 585 AD)

Yes. And nowhere is the "mission of unity" (ie. the acting person phenomenological junk) considered. Unity is already acheived in the Church under Peter. It's not some "desire" of Christ's that is the mission of the Pontiff to fulfill by changing what Christ instituted.

I suppose you are citing the part of Pascendi (§18) where he condemns how the Modernists would say one thing in their homilies, and another in their 'scientific' writing? But this is not applicable, since UUS is a single document.

Nice try but you're grasping. Pius X wasn't being exhuastive in Pascendi. He stated the modernists use "a thousand noxious devices"

Further, none is more skillful, none more astute than they, in the employment of a thousand noxious devices; for they play the double part of rationalist and Catholic, and this so craftily that they easily lead the unwary into error; and as audacity is their chief characteristic, there is no conclusion of any kind from which they shrink or which they do not thrust forward with pertinacity and assurance To this must be added the fact, which indeed is well calculated to deceive souls, that they lead a life of the greatest activity, of assiduous and ardent application to every branch of learning, and that they possess, as a rule, a reputation for irreproachable morality. Finally, there is the fact which is all but fatal to the hope of cure that their very doctrines have given such a bent to their minds, that they disdain all authority and brook no restraint; and relying upon a false conscience, they attempt to ascribe to a love of truth that which is in reality the result of pride and obstinacy.

83 posted on 04/12/2005 9:09:54 PM PDT by GerardPH
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To: GerardPH
That is a far cry from some vague, borderless mission of unity for heretics, infidels and schismatics.

"Vague" and "borderless"?

With the power and the authority without which such an office would be illusory, the Bishop of Rome must ensure the communion of all the Churches. For this reason, he is the first servant of unity. This primacy is exercised on various levels, including vigilance over the handing down of the Word, the celebration of the Liturgy and the Sacraments, the Church's mission, discipline and the Christian life. It is the responsibility of the Successor of Peter to recall the requirements of the common good of the Church, should anyone be tempted to overlook it in the pursuit of personal interests. He has the duty to admonish, to caution and to declare at times that this or that opinion being circulated is irreconcilable with the unity of faith. When circumstances require it, he speaks in the name of all the Pastors in communion with him. He can also—under very specific conditions clearly laid down by the First Vatican Council— declare ex cathedra that a certain doctrine belongs to the deposit of faith.152 By thus bearing witness to the truth, he serves unity.

Your misrepresentations of UUS are continually astounding. The whole point of the "servant of unity" is that universal Papal Jurisdiction and Papal Infallibility are necessary for unity.

finding some lowest common denominator to appeal to

"Ecumenism implies that the Christian communities should help one another so that there may be truly present in them the full content and all the requirements of "the heritage handed down by the Apostles".130 Without this, full communion will never be possible." (UUS 78) so therefore UUS 79:

It is already possible to identify the areas in need of fuller study before a true consensus of faith can be achieved: 1) the relationship between Sacred Scripture, as the highest authority in matters of faith, and Sacred Tradition, as indispensable to the interpretation of the Word of God; 2) the Eucharist, as the Sacrament of the Body and Blood of Christ, an offering of praise to the Father, the sacrificial memorial and Real Presence of Christ and the sanctifying outpouring of the Holy Spirit; 3) Ordination, as a Sacrament, to the threefold ministry of the episcopate, presbyterate and diaconate; 4) the Magisterium of the Church, entrusted to the Pope and the Bishops in communion with him, understood as a responsibility and an authority exercised in the name of Christ for teaching and safeguarding the faith; 5) the Virgin Mary, as Mother of God and Icon of the Church, the spiritual Mother who intercedes for Christ's disciples and for all humanity.

In this courageous journey towards unity, the transparency and the prudence of faith require us to avoid both false irenicism and indifference to the Church's ordinances.131

JP II carefully points out that the Protestants will have to accept all the Catholic dogmas before they can return to the unity of the Church, and cites Vatican II's condemnation of the irenicism that you accuse him of: "Nothing is so foreign to the spirit of ecumenism as a false irenicism, in which the purity of Catholic doctrine suffers loss and its genuine and certain meaning is clouded." (UR 11)

And nowhere is the "mission of unity" (ie. the acting person phenomenological junk) considered.

Do you reject the thesis, then, that the Church has a duty to evangelize? That is what rejecting the "mission of unity" means. Leo XIII:

And as this Divine Prayer and Supplication does not include only the souls who then believed in Jesus Christ, but also every one of those who were henceforth to believe in Him, this Prayer holds out to Us no indifferent reason for confidently expressing Our hopes, and for making all possible endeavors in order that the men of every race and clime should be called and moved to embrace the Unity of Divine Faith.

Apparently you think Pope Leo was wrong in wishing that men should be "called and moved to embrace the Unity of Divine Faith".

It's not some "desire" of Christ's that is the mission of the Pontiff to fulfill by changing what Christ instituted.

As for this supposed mission of the Pontiff, it is entirely a figment of your imagination.

He stated the modernists use "a thousand noxious devices"

JP II isn't a Modernist, although your ridiculous attacks on JP II may qualify as a "thousand noxious devices".

We are not as the rest of men, and which, to make them really not as other men, leads them to embrace all kinds of the most absurd novelties; it is pride which rouses in them the spirit of disobedience and causes them to demand a compromise between authority and liberty; it is pride that makes of them the reformers of others, while they forget to reform themselves, and which begets their absolute want of respect for authority, not excepting the supreme authority.

Anybody who in any way is found to be imbued with Modernism is to be excluded without compunction from these offices, and those who already occupy them are to be withdrawn. The same policy is to be adopted towards those who favour Modernism either by extolling the Modernists or excusing their culpable conduct, by criticising scholasticism, the Holy Father, or by refusing obedience to ecclesiastical authority in any of its depositaries; (Pascendi §§40, 48)


90 posted on 04/13/2005 2:59:42 PM PDT by gbcdoj (In the world you shall have distress. But have confidence. I have overcome the world. ~ John 16:33)
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