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To: GerardPH
Not at all. You've never addressed what the "problem" was that JPII was referring to in Chapter 28 of Crossing..

Want to explain what that has to do with anything? He unequivocally says that some will go to Hell, and that it does exist.

Of course, you could just read the book yourself and see. But he's referring specifically to the "problem of hell" - as you know, many deny its existence, or view it as somehow injurious to God's Mercy. Not the Pope, however, as he made quite clear.

81 posted on 04/11/2005 10:04:39 PM PDT by gbcdoj (In the world you shall have distress. But have confidence. I have overcome the world. ~ John 16:33)
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"Not at all. You've never addressed what the "problem" was that JPII was referring to in Chapter 28 of Crossing.."

Want to explain what that has to do with anything? He unequivocally says that some will go to Hell, and that it does exist.

Stop making stuff up. He unequivocally says?? That never happens with JPII. The only persons he says are in Hell are the demons. You had to cite another article by that poor misguided liberal Jesuit Card. Dulles. If he'd said it so clearly, Dulles would never have felt compelled to write an article. Dulles by the way believes that "subsists" in the Catholic Church means there are two distinct Churches the Mystical Body and the Catholic Church. He's wrong on the meaning of subsistit in Latin. Of course, you could just read the book yourself and see. But he's referring specifically to the "problem of hell" - as you know, many deny its existence, or view it as somehow injurious to God's Mercy.

You didn't read it. That is plain. I've got it open and read it for the umpteenth time. He says since the Church has not named anyone in Hell, we should be silent on whether anyone is in Hell. Despite Christ's words in Scripture to the contrary. He says regarding Purgatory, "Perhaps that is enough." It's clear he doesn't believe or doesn't want to believe in Hell for humans.

Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. 14 How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it! 15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. 24 Every one therefore that heareth these my words, and doth them, shall be likened to a wise man that built his house upon a rock, 25 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell not, for it was founded on a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these my words, and doth them not, shall be like a foolish man that built his house upon the sand, 27 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell, and great was the fall thereof. 28 And it came to pass when Jesus had fully ended these words, the people were in admiration at his doctrine. 29 For he was teaching them as one having power, and not as the scribes and Pharisees.

Not the Pope, however, as he made quite clear.

He made quite clear? Bwahahhah! That is a good one. The Church has taught that Hell is a place in all of it's history. Christ referred to it as a place. Numerous visionaries that have seen it have described it as a place and JPII decides to call it a "state". Sorry, but that is tailor made to confuse. I know exactly what he is talking about and it's pointless for him to try to explain what he's aiming at. It's not even Catholic. There are enough New Agers to do that for him.

85 posted on 04/12/2005 10:04:41 PM PDT by GerardPH
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