[Mad Dawg]

If she was sinless why does she need a savior.

My daughter has never drowned. She has never even fallen into a swimming pool. But that is because her mother and I were vigilant. We saved her from drowning by not letting her get intot a situation where drowning was an option.

Jesus's saving act saved Mary by keeping her Immaculate. She needed Him to do that, as my daughter, on occasion, needed me to keep her from falling into a pool. But I kept my daughter safe, and The Son of God kept the woman chosen to be His mother safe.

I am Catholic by the way,...

ROMAN Catholic?

... not a Mary worshiper or a believer in Mary to mediate between man and Christ.

Well what a coincidence! I'm not a Mary worshipper either, and I'm a Roman Catholic.

As to the mediation thing, that's more complicated: My mother-in-law is a great woman of prayer. I don't understand why that is so, but my experience is that it IS so. Consequently, when something really troubles me or concerns me deeply, I will ask her to pray about it.

Does that mean I "worship" my mother-in-law? Cut me a BREAK! But, in a way, it DOES mean that I expect even my mother-in-law to mediate between me and God. Not in the way that Jesus mediates, but there is still an intercessory aspect to what I ask of her. And so it is with the Mother of my Lord: I ask her to pray for me, and I also pray for myself, through Jesus Christ.

After all, I pray for the world, but I don't think I'm some kind of cosmic mediator....

[rollo tomasi]

Give me point blank scripture of Mary being sinless, not Church doctrine.

Why was a sin offering required following the birth of Jesus? Was not Mary exempt from Original Sin?

'If any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous' 1 John 2: 1

Obviously John did not know Mary's other alleged function as co-advocate with Jesus. (Extreme Sarcasm)

How come John, who cared for Mary until her death, never mentioned the alleged Assumption?

'for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23 Sorry, I did not read an exception for Mary, she was a Godly women but still was under original sin.

12 years of Catholic education plus studying this subject has taught me all the canned responses to the Mary doctrine that supporters speak but in the end hold no support at all.

[rollo tomasi]

One more thing, do you believe "Mary is Queen over all things"?

Where does God say this? Are the men who came up with this idea correct? I guess you believe the Catholic Catechism over the Bible. I would not take that bet no way no how.