Yeah, now we do it sometimes, on a case-by-case basis, where the systems we have set up have produced a determination that it is warranted. AC, on the other hand, apparently wants to do it all the time, in every case, for every family, whether they want it or need it or not. I'm sure you can grasp the difference between the two, and why "always" is a far greater intrusion than "sometimes".You keep citing something that I never said. I stated, and quite clearly, that the law states, "the right to counsel". I also stated, that that does not mean the guardian's counsel. Nevertheless, an incapacitated person retains the "right to counsel".
Okay, when do we insert counsel into the equation, and when do we not? Because I haven't seen any sort of criteria for that out of you yet.