Terri Schiavo has passed away

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[Eurotwit]

Breaking now on CNN

[Bigturbowski]

Unless you are a personal friend of the family and privy to their everday movements for the past ten years, you are blowing smoke. Or maybe you are one of the hospice workers who is priy to the visitor log for the past ten years? Spending "one day going back and forth on this topic" hardly qualifies for having knowledge supeior to the ignorant "masses".

I'm not claiming to have more superior knowledge on this matter than anyone else. Unless we are a friend of the family or hospice worker, we all have the same info. I've been "privy" to this topic for months thank you, I only chose to speak my opinion on it for one full day. I didn't even want to get involved in the conversation until someone made a statement so idiotic I could not maintain my silence. I have my opinion, the others have theirs, thats all there is on this thread. I have never called anyone "inferior" on this thread, so don't misquote me. That is the way YOU put it in my words. (Kinda like the MSM, misquoting someone huh) So to answer your reply, I do not claim to be superior to anyone on this topic nor have I called anyone "ignorant." However, with more replys misquoting my posts from you, you may get the ignorant tag, but only because you've earned it.

[PrepareToLeave]

FAIRWELL FAIR TERRI

Glory, light surround you now/Arias of angels sing/Before the Lord of Hosts you bow/A crown of righteousness you bring.

We, left behind bid you adieu,/Our fight for good continues now/With strength from God we'll be renewed/And this to you we will avow.

We'll battle for the Lord of Hosts/And lift Him high for all to see/Our lives laid down, we draw Him close/And give our all for those in need.

May the Holy Spirit comfort us.

[AndrewC]

Fine, but "injunction" isn't one of those words.

Well, de novo was clear enough to be mentioned by the Justice who did not do it. BTW if you do not have personal counsel in court proceedings and a judgement is made concerning you, has due process been achieved?

[general_re]

The whole point to these sorts of proceedings is to determine what people who can't speak for themselves would say if they could speak for themselves. Your next-of-kin and the guardian ad litem, if any, are presumed to be acting on your behalf - their counsel is your counsel. Now, if you want to change the nature of due process to require something else, be my guest, but I predict you'll encounter far more resistance than you think. People are simply not that interested in the state intruding any further into those sorts of decisions.

[downwithsocialism]

I have been very disturbed by the Schiavo case and just lurking and reading your posts and a few others has helped. Thank you Joanie.

[ariamne]

You are most gracious and honest. Please don't distress yourself any further on this issue; it is obvious from your post that you are not a fan of the evil man who hosts the site. I was concerned that this guy not get a lot of hits and make his website look more, well, popular than it really is. And I didn't want our enemies on the left to link us with that, they do enough damage to our cause. I know Terri's horrific death has stressed many of us to the point of snapping. Let's press on. I was also rude and apologize.

[AndrewC]

The whole point to these sorts of proceedings is to determine what people who can't speak for themselves would say if they could speak for themselves. Your next-of-kin and the guardian ad litem, if any, are presumed to be acting on your behalf - their counsel is your counsel. Now, if you want to change the nature of due process to require something else, be my guest, but I predict you'll encounter far more resistance than you think. People are simply not that interested in the state intruding any further into those sorts of decisions.

If that is true, it makes this part of Florida law have no effect.

Florida Statute. 744.3215 Rights of persons determined incapacitated.--

(1) A person who has been determined to be incapacitated retains the right:

...

(l) To counsel.

Because that person must have someone speaking for them in court by circumstance.

[nmh]

"God did not will this - Felos and Michael willed it."

God gives us free will.

[af_vet_rr]

People are simply not that interested in the state intruding any further into those sorts of decisions.

You wouldn't know that from what politicians (from both parties) have been saying the past two days. As far as they are concerned, the federal government needs to be involved at every level. This could turn into a nightmare, especially if your a Conservative working to reduce the power of the federal government.

Regardless, hopefully this will force people to update their wills, and to make it very clear what they want in case something like this happens. I've made it clear, both in conversation and on paper, what I want, and I hope others do the same, before they have the federal government intervene.

[general_re]

And who's going to express to counsel what you wanted when you can't do that, so that aforementioned counsel may effectively represent your interests?

[general_re]

You wouldn't know that from what politicians (from both parties) have been saying the past two days.

They'll find out if they try pushing it, I suspect, which is why they won't push it. Prediction: there'll be some more shouting for a while, and then the issue will melt away from the front pages without any substantial changes being made to the laws on guardianship.

As far as they are concerned, the federal government needs to be involved at every level.

Yeah. Sure is nice to know that if I ever fall into a vegetative state, or become otherwise incapacitated, Congress will be right there for me, dropping everything in order to insure that my wife's doing a good job of figuring out what I would have wanted. I'm sure she'll also appreciate 535 complete strangers telling her that she might not know me or be doing a good job representing me. Who wouldn't appreciate that kind of state "help" with the most intimate, personal and difficult decisions anyone is ever likely to face?

[yellowdoghunter]

I usually go to DU throughout the day to see what they are saying, but I have literally not had to because if you go to the Smoky Backroom, it is like being on DU.

I would love to know if any of them would stake their children's lives on the fact that they are so SURE that Terri wanted to starve to death.

When one is not sure, you should err on the side of life.

[Emily RN]

That was the amount of money...$300,000...that Michael spent/went through when he went to nursing school to learn how to care for Terri. This is among the listed items...what went where out of the settlement funds. Presumably he paid himself a salary and living expenses, reasonable. Don't know how long he went to school, though.

It's too bad $300,000 worth of nursing education couldn't give him a "heart" for nursing!

[AndrewC]

And who's going to express to counsel what you wanted when you can't do that, so that aforementioned counsel may effectively represent your interests?

That is to be determined by the counsel unencumbered by any split loyalty. Here is Florida Law illustrating that concept.

744.331 Procedures to determine incapacity.--

(2)  ATTORNEY FOR THE ALLEGED INCAPACITATED PERSON.--

(a)  The court shall appoint an attorney for each person alleged to be incapacitated in all cases involving a petition for adjudication of incapacity. The alleged incapacitated person may substitute her or his own attorney for the attorney appointed by the court.

(b)  Any attorney representing an alleged incapacitated person may not serve as guardian of the alleged incapacitated person or as counsel for the guardian of the alleged incapacitated person or the petitioner.

How does the attorney represent the wishes of incapacited person in this situation? What is his purpose?

[processing please hold]

I would love to know if any of them would stake their children's lives on the fact that they are so SURE that Terri wanted to starve to death.

I'll lay you odds, if it were their child, they would be speaking out of the other side of their mouths. It's easier for some to pass judgement on another persons child, disconnected emotions are involved. Always err on the side of life.

That backroom sure is a hoot, ain't it....

[general_re]

That is to be determined by the counsel unencumbered by any split loyalty

Sounds lovely. Presumably we'll issue them crystal balls or tarot cards to accomplish that end.

[general_re]

That is, by the way, the procedure for determining incapacity, and does not apply once that determination has been made.

[AndrewC]

That is, by the way, the procedure for determining incapacity, and does not apply once that determination has been made.

I can read. But the concept still applies.

[yellowdoghunter]

Yes, it is. Why are those people even on this board? I really question whether some of them are true conservatives. I seen posts that were trashing Scarborough, Hannity, Rush, even Dr. Dobson, one of the conservative movements most distinguished speakers.

Like I said, why are they even on this board?