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Pa. College Professor Arrested at Schiavo Hospice
NEPA News and AP ^ | March 29, 2005 | AP

Posted on 03/29/2005 8:07:57 PM PST by Palladin

A professor at a Bible college near Scranton, Pa., was arrested Tuesday as he tried to storm into the hospice caring for Terri Schiavo.

Dow Pursley, 56, was zapped with a Taser stun gun and tackled to the ground by officers before he reached the door, Pinellas Park police said. He became the 47th protester arrested.

Pursley, who is on the faculty of the Baptist Bible College & Seminary in Clarks Summit, Pa., had two bottles of water with him, police said. He was charged with attempted burglary and resisting arrest.

Baptist Bible College officials said in a written statement that Pursley was not acting on the school's behalf and had traveled to Florida on his personal time.

"He is a dedicated man with strong beliefs and God-given convictions," the statement said.

Pursley is the clinical director of counseling programs for the theological college's graduate school. He also helps oversee a campus clinic that offers psychological counseling based on biblical teaching.

Baptist Bible College spokesman Mark Robbins said that while the college "believes in the sanctity of life," it has not taken an official position on the Schiavo case.

Doctors said that Schiavo, 41, would probably die within a week or two after the tube was removed on March 18. She suffered catastrophic brain damage in 1990 when her heart stopped for several minutes because of a chemical imbalance.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: adrinkforterri; christianity; compassion; dncdupes; donutwatch; dowpursley; dragnet; loonies; policestate; prolifeactivist; religion; terrimania; terrischiavo; trespassing
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To: KDD

Perhaps 7 years ago it was not common knowledge that a significant percentage of Catholic priests were, in fact, active queers.

This is the old "call a spade a spade" thing. You want PC, go to DU.


261 posted on 03/30/2005 5:18:42 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

The Homosexual Network was the first book to document the queer-priest problem. Fr. Rueda knew, well, the extent of the difficulty.

I still have it as a reference item and yes, all the names you think should be in it ARE in it.


262 posted on 03/30/2005 5:20:47 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: GOPcapitalist

You forgot the coppers at Haymarket Square--and the coppers who shot up the union activists in Bay View, WI.


263 posted on 03/30/2005 5:22:00 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Dominick

Say what?


264 posted on 03/30/2005 5:27:04 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: TheCrusader
The man arrested in this instance is a Baptist, or at least taught at a Baptist college. Jerry Falwell is in critical condition; Billy Graham's health is poor. James Dobson has been very vocal in his support of Terri Schaivo and the Schindlers. Leading lights in the pro-Terri Schiavo camp who have been very visible publicly are Randall Terry, a Calvinist right to life activist, and Jay Sekulow, a charismatic attorney. Both Pat Robertson, a charismatic minister, and D. James Kennedy, a Reformed minister (PCA), are Christian Right leaders who have been vocal in their support of her right to live.

Could the evangelical community do more? Yes, and they should. However, it is very wrong to assert that they have been absent.

265 posted on 03/30/2005 5:27:31 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Dominick

Oh, that explains it all.

The MSM conspiracy.

Look, I have no use for the MSM. But it's ridiculous to assign guilt or blame to pro-life protesters (no matter how they dress) for what you suppose will be a Dimowit victory in '08.

Calm down.


266 posted on 03/30/2005 5:30:35 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Palladin

Attempted burglary???

Trespassing I can see, but burglary??

I would be ashamed to be a police officer in that god forsaken town.


267 posted on 03/30/2005 5:30:54 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: knuthom

That was my thought. How can it be burglary if you bring something. I would think it should have been attempted restocking of water, attempted hydration, attempted restoration of life, attempted humanitarian efforts or something along those lines.


268 posted on 03/30/2005 5:35:03 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (Christ the Lord is Risen! He is Risen Indeed, Alleluia!)
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To: ninenot
Look, I have no use for the MSM. But it's ridiculous to assign guilt or blame to pro-life protesters (no matter how they dress) for what you suppose will be a Dimowit victory in '08.

How many protesters do you think are out there? From Wisconsin it is hard to see. This morning when I drove by the MSM, gawkers and assorted loonies far outnumbered the protesters, and were playing the fool for the cameras. This is scripted, and ready for public consumption with two major goals, kill prolife as a viable movement, and to elect a Democrat in 2008.

The clue should have been when Jackson showed up, and now some of your fellow FReepers are hailing Jackson, and shilling for donations to the Rainbow Coalition. The Rainbow coalition also has Carol Moseley Braun as a regular speaker. So you think this is about saving Terri, or about getting on TV?

Media Circuses make strange bedfellows.
269 posted on 03/30/2005 5:43:40 AM PST by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Dominick

Dear Dominick,

"They are there to prevent people from violating the peace."

The police are also there to enforce an illegal order that will lead to the murder of an innocent human being.

The police also chose to DISOBEY a lawful order to stand down, given by the state police on the part of the actual chief law enforcement officer of the state of Florida. Thus, the police cannot even make the claim that they were just following orders. Unless you count that they seem to think they are permitted to pick and choose.

As to the ultimate fall-out, it remains to be seen. I don't even know for myself what I will be thinking once this death charade is done. I will re-evaluate whether or not it is appropriate to continue to support the Republican Party. After all, not being pro-death is not quite the same as being pro-life. Ask the Whigs.

This affair crystalizes for many some questions. Such as, whether we are a nation of laws, and checks and balances, or whether we are ruled by an unchecked judiciary, and the law is what the black-robed masters say it is. Currently, it appears to be the latter. Another question is whether most of our politicians, Republican and Democrat, now accede to the doctrine of judicial supremacy. If that is the case, voting for the current crop of Republicans is little else than a delaying action. They will find judges who foist their own laws upon us, but laws that we will find more agreeable.

I don't really know what the answers are beyond the life or death of Terri. I do know that the Bush boys failed to use their legal, legitimate executive authority to directly save this woman's life.

I understand why they didn't. To act in that way would be to invite titanic struggles over basic constitutional issues for the rest of their terms. To act in that way would have been to harm the agenda for Social Security reform, tax reductions, etc. And against those great corporal works of mercy, who are we to insist on the life of one innocent woman?


sitetest


270 posted on 03/30/2005 5:44:13 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Dominick
Police officers, along with the medical staff of the hospice, are endowed with consciences. What the police are protecting and the medical staff are facilitating is the judicially sanctioned execution of Terri Schiavo. The Bible states, "Thou shalt not kill." If the Pinellas Park PD or the sheriff's office, from the chiefs down to the rookies, and the hospice staff, from the chief of staff down to the laundry workers, were moral persons, they should resign their positions before being required to assist in killing this woman. Her blood will be on their hands as well on those of Judge Greer, Michael Schiavo, George Felos, et. al.
271 posted on 03/30/2005 5:46:28 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: sitetest
I will re-evaluate whether or not it is appropriate to continue to support the Republican Party.

You can think, do you think leaving the party is the best way to overturn Roe vs Wade?

I understand why they didn't. To act in that way would be to invite titanic struggles over basic constitutional issues for the rest of their terms. To act in that way would have been to harm the agenda for Social Security reform, tax reductions, etc. And against those great corporal works of mercy, who are we to insist on the life of one innocent woman?

Actually the whole of the prolife movement is being painted as hysterical people who will shut down a Hospice, for a pointless protest. If they were to shut down the Florida Legislature, more would be done, because without the clear backing of the Senate, which was miserable, and the a legal precedent, nothing would change. What is Jeb supposed to do, order his agents to shoot the local police?

Thinking that Gov Bush is more culpable than the Senate, Judge Greer and the other appeals courts, as well as the authors of the starvation law is manipulation of YOU by our enemies. The DNC is scripting this through the MSM, and you are setting the hook like any good fish. Prepare for the frying pan.
272 posted on 03/30/2005 5:51:02 AM PST by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Wallace T.
What the police are protecting and the medical staff are facilitating is the judicially sanctioned execution of Terri Schiavo.

No they are keeping people from killing each other. Most people there want Terri dead. If Terri lives they can't be on TV. I am three blocks from this Circus. I can see and I am telling you the facts, not my opinion. Most people there are not there to save Terri.
273 posted on 03/30/2005 5:52:56 AM PST by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Dominick
I'm talking about the death camp guards who stand in her room when her mother is there and prevent her from giving a drop of water to her daughter dieing of thrist.

Do you find that "official" behavious assine? I find it inhumane -- murderous, sociopathic, illegal and a mockery of any oath they took or uniform they wear.

274 posted on 03/30/2005 5:58:06 AM PST by bvw
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To: Dominick

Then let the death cultists protect the execution chamber and manage the medical facility. They could do no worse than the LEOs and the medical personnel. I am not singling out the cops, but they and the doctors, nurses, orderlies, etc., should resign their positions.


275 posted on 03/30/2005 6:03:23 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Wallace T.
You have no idea. The whole area wants her to hang on until they get on TV then expire so the TV can get the reaction shot. Very few people out there have ever been to an abotion clinic much less in the prolife movement.

Singling out the doctors is silly, since they do this daily in every hospital in Florida. The law must be changed.
276 posted on 03/30/2005 6:07:07 AM PST by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Dominick; royalcello; kjvail

Dear Dominick,

"You can think, do you think leaving the party is the best way to overturn Roe vs Wade?"

I don't know, Dominick. That's why I said "I will re-evaluate."

Just how would Roe be overturned? By appointing more Nazgul by Republicans? Like O'Connor (nominated by a Republican president, confirmed by a Republican Senate), Souter, Stevens, or Kennedy? I remember when Kennedy went to the Court. He was against Roe. What changed?

Well, he's still against Roe. But he is more FOR judicial supremacy. He is a moral monster.

I know that the Democrat Party will not bring us to a place where the three branches of government exist in some kind of balance, and where life is respected in law. But I'm no longer sure that the Republican Party can, either. Like I said, I'll have to do some thinking.

If the Republican Party can't or won't get it done, we'll have to try something else. Remember the Whigs.

As for Jeb and law enforcement authorities, he could have told the state troopers, go in with overwhelming numbers, arrest anyone who resists you, take Terri into protective custody. I doubt any of the local police would have opened fire on state troopers, but if any had, then prosecution for capital murder of law enforcement authorities would seem to be in order. If the individual miscreant lived to tell the tale.

"Thinking that Gov Bush is more culpable than the Senate,..."

Gee, I don't think I've ever said anything like that. Although I think the Bush boys (all hat, no cattle) have shown themselves to be proper politicians, and nothing more, certainly it is the murderer greer, the psychopath felos, and the vermin m. schiavo who are the principal bad actors in this whole affair. The courts, up and down, certainly come in a close second in the measures of perfidy, followed by a weak Florida state legislature.

The Bush boys come in a far distant fourth. They are not the principal murderers. They are merely holding the coats of those doing the murdering. The US Congress approached the threshold of decency, but fell back. In fairness, the Legislature, unlike the Executive, has no enforcement authority of its own. However, a very public request by the leaders of the US Congress to the Executive to enforce the legally-binding subpoena of the US Congress by arresting the murderer greer would have been nice.

But they, too, have proven to be little else but proper politicians.

I can see that the Democrats are likely near-ecstatic at the whole turn of events, but I suspect there isn't much Democrat or DNC involvement. When your enemies decide to shoot themselves, the best thing to do is to just stay out of the way.

And if the Democrats are smart, they will see some basic, fundamental fissures in the conservative coalition. Perhaps they will figure out how to exploit those fissures. I don't know.

For me, there are two questions: How to we return respect for life to the law? How do we recover self-rule from the lawlessness of the judges? The two questions are intertwined, I think.

Maybe the monarchists are right. ;-)


sitetest


277 posted on 03/30/2005 6:14:15 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest
The Bush boys come in a far distant fourth. They are not the principal murderers. They are merely holding the coats of those doing the murdering.

I am amazed that you can't see how this is orchestrated.
278 posted on 03/30/2005 6:18:59 AM PST by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Palladin
Pursley, who is on the faculty of the Baptist Bible College & Seminary in Clarks Summit, Pa., had two bottles of water with him, police said. He was charged with attempted burglary and resisting arrest.

"He is a dedicated man with strong beliefs and God-given convictions," the statement said.

What was this dedicated man was going to do, pour the water down her throat and drown her, or was he just going for personal publicity like the rest of the circus.
279 posted on 03/30/2005 6:20:17 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: sitetest

Good analysis--but it indicts Jeb even more strongly than GWB.

Frankly, Jeb deserves all the scorn he is getting at this point. He's the Gov of FLA, he's on the scene, at least relative to GWB's position, and he does have the FLA Constitution behind him.

At this point, he's also dead as a national (R) candidate for anything, I think.

GWB has done an excellent job of pleasing the Fortune 500 community and a few folks who thought that Hussein was an immediate threat to the USA.

That's about all, so far.


280 posted on 03/30/2005 6:22:12 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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