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To: Tribune7; Alamo-Girl; marron; Right Wing Professor; b_sharp; xzins; cornelis; PatrickHenry; ...
I think the ox of evolution is dead :-)

Could be, Trib. It all seems to hang on the problem of whether people are willing to concede that evolution seems to be something that happens within species; and that grander claims -- to the effect that macroevolution actually occurs -- may not be as well founded as the general public imagines today.

That is, the doctrine that holds the production of a novel species from an already existent other in response to changing physical environmental conditions/constraints, while generally held to be true "among us advanced, enlightened moderns" -- seems to have been found somewhat lacking in explanatory power in more recent times.

I don't think the ox of evolution is dead; he just needs to be placed into the proper overall perspective, which at the end of the day may be the one that abandons the idea of macroevolution altogether.

For certainly we must say that macroevolution depends for its truth on a congeries of developments that have never been directly observed acting together by a single human being, dead or alive.

And so the entire theory of macroevolution seems to rest on observations which are -- rather paradoxically -- "unobservable" in principle.

But I guess we'll have to wait on further research in order to further qualify these issues....

Stay tuned! Thank you so very much for writing!

47 posted on 03/28/2005 10:06:47 PM PST by betty boop (If everyone is thinking alike, then no one is thinking. -- Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: betty boop

Do you believe that "species" is a property of an individual?


48 posted on 03/28/2005 10:35:58 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: betty boop
Thank you so much for your excellent post!

That is, the doctrine that holds the production of a novel species from an already existent other in response to changing physical environmental conditions/constraints, while generally held to be true "among us advanced, enlightened moderns" -- seems to have been found somewhat lacking in explanatory power in more recent times.

IMHO, the continual review of any theory is good for everyone. The advances made since Darwin's day (DNA, information theory, complex systems theory, etc.) should all be used to test, improve or correct the original theory of origin of species.

I agree with you that adaptive changes have been well confirmed over these years and that emergent functions and species (complexity, autonomy, semiosis) have been brought into question (mostly by mathematicians).

57 posted on 03/29/2005 6:37:22 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
The C/E competition is not over, but it has been joined by another perspective that is neither C nor E. Call it L for Liptonism. He links thought to thought's obvious yet unexplained ability to motivate matter.

C/E/L

As in CELlular.

68 posted on 03/29/2005 1:03:18 PM PST by RightWhale (50 trillion sovereign cells working together in relative harmony)
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