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Indonesia - Sumatra Earthquake - Evacuations Under way (Update - 8.5 quake )
Dow Jones News | 3/28/05

Posted on 03/28/2005 8:46:46 AM PST by Helmholtz

Dow Jones News Reports at 11:39 "DJ Singapore Official: 7.5 Quake Hits Sumatra - Kyodo"

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: earthquake; india; indonesia; notaboutterri; quake; sumatraearthquake; tsunami
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To: Eurotwit

Tsunami danger not over: Aussie
March 29, 2005
From: AAP
AN earthquake off Indonesia could still produce a tsunami as big as the killer waves which left nearly 300,000 dead following a similar quake in December, seismologists in Australia said today.

Australia's bureau of meteorology said a 25cm tsunami had already hit Australia's remote Cocos Island and bigger tidal surges were expected to strike Australia's west coast.
Phil Cummins, of Geoscience Australia, said that although no major tsumani had yet been reported near the quake epicenter off Indonesia's Sumatra island, a big tidal surge could still be heading across the Indian Ocean towards Africa.

"I would say there is still potential for this to have generated a large tsunami," he said.

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Australia's bureau of meteorology initially reported that the tsunami measured just 10cm at Cocos Island, located in the deep waters of the Indian Ocean south of Sumatra, but later upgraded that to 25cm.

"That's fairly big for the deep ocean," Mr Cummins said of the wave which hit Cocos, adding that an alert had been issued for a one metre surge expected to hit the Western Australia coast.

Asked if the east coast of Africa could still be struck by a major tsunami from the latest quake, Mr Cummins said: "I would say it's still something we have to regard as a possibility.

"We've seen the thing at Cocos Island and that really does tell us we have to exercise caution."


681 posted on 03/28/2005 2:04:52 PM PST by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: Strategerist; JonDavid
We called it on the Backroom before it was said...

The reaction was sadly predictable.

sw

682 posted on 03/28/2005 2:05:19 PM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Eurotwit

Nias has a population of 600,000 so even without a large tsunami quite a lot of people are going to end up having been killed.


683 posted on 03/28/2005 2:06:31 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Eurotwit

Sad, You just know that total is going up, Prayers.


684 posted on 03/28/2005 2:06:38 PM PST by cmsgop ( Don't Forget to check out Bea Arthur in the "Menopause Monologues"  coming on NBC this fall)
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To: It's me

Explain to me, how pointing out that there is a gay festival in Phuket is germane to the tsunami discussion.

Seems to me like you are of that whole crowd that wants God to get into that smiting mood.


685 posted on 03/28/2005 2:08:13 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Never pet a dog that is on fire)
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To: Strategerist
No it does not. It’s called the SIN OF OMISSION. I am not saying that it is directed specifically at those poor people, but to all Christians as a warning that you to will suffer along with those who committed the act.

OK, let me get this straight; a quake hit an island full of Christians in Indonesia as punishment for..not saving Terri Schiavo? Not donating enough money to the Church?


It may be a warning from God that Christians will also face the Great Chastisement along with those who committed the act because of the Sin of Omission. Understand or do you want me to spoon feed you?
686 posted on 03/28/2005 2:09:24 PM PST by JonDavid
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To: rwfromkansas
You are correct that the studies do not show an increase. However, tell that to my mother, who runs admitting at the local hospital. There are always more calls, runs, people coming in etc. on full moon days.

LOL, RW! My sister is an ER nurse and has expressed the same to me, so it's a common perception in the trade. But I remember seeing a story based on a study from (IIRC) UC Med school that put the statistics to rest.

As Strategerist has mentioned elsewhere, the general population has an extremely difficult time accepting the concept of random behavior - whether it's Ma Nature or 'human nature'.

687 posted on 03/28/2005 2:09:37 PM PST by IonImplantGuru (Pereant qui ante nos nostra dixerunt. (May they perish who have expressed our bright ideas before us)
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To: Eurotwit

There's a completely different story everywhere you look. :)


688 posted on 03/28/2005 2:18:43 PM PST by lainie
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To: Central Scrutiniser

There sure is a big crowd of 'em. Criminy.


689 posted on 03/28/2005 2:20:05 PM PST by lainie
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To: lainie

Full moon, the nuts are out.

(he doesn't think there are gay parades in his home town, he is happy in denial)


690 posted on 03/28/2005 2:23:48 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Never pet a dog that is on fire)
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To: lainie
"My personal view is that a tsunami has a 100 percent chance of happening," US Geological Survey earthquake expert Kerry Sieh told journalists in Los Angeles." Well? where is it?

Tsunamis come a range of sizes, Lainie, from barely detectable to 2x or more what the world saaw just after Christmas in this region. I believe I saw somewhere in this thread that a 3m tsunami (10 ft) was triggered by this latest quake.

The magnitude of a tsunami is determined by 3 factors: a) magnitude of quake, b) type of seafloor movement, and c)bottom topography where the tsunami makes landfall. There's still some small possibility that a tsunami generated by this quake as yet to hit a distant coast in, say, E Africa/Madagascar.

Also, it's still dark in the immediate region (5:30am by my calculation) and with primitive - if any - communications, I don't think we'll know about the nearby regions of W Sumatra and its outlying islands for a few more hours yet.

691 posted on 03/28/2005 2:24:49 PM PST by IonImplantGuru (Pereant qui ante nos nostra dixerunt. (May they perish who have expressed our bright ideas before us)
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To: JonDavid
Understand or do you want me to spoon feed you?

Feel free to continue to entertain me; I'm getting quite a laugh out of your posts.

692 posted on 03/28/2005 2:30:42 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: spectre
We called it on the Backroom before it was said...

You mean to tell me that you predicted Christians might attribute and Act of God to... God?

Whoa. You must clean up at the track.

693 posted on 03/28/2005 2:32:40 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Ghoul Power!)
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To: rwfromkansas

Eh, it's a bit over-simplified. It's different times for each segment; I was referring to the central segments immediately around SLC.

http://geology.utah.gov/online/pdf/pi-40.pdf

"These earthquakes took place on the fault's five central segments (Brigham City, Weber, Salt Lake City, Provo, and Nephi) and one distal segment (Levan). Collectively, the "composite recurrence interval," or how often a large earthquake has occurred on the central portion of the Wasatch fault, is approximately once every 350 years. The last large earthquake happened about 600 years ago on the Provo segment, and possibly earlier on the Nephi segment (although the starburst position indicates a carbon-dated event closer to 1,200 years ago, some researchers estimate an earthquake occurred as recently as 400 years ago on the Nephi segment)."


A PDF unfortunately...


694 posted on 03/28/2005 2:36:14 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

A non-pdf:

http://www.journalnet.com/articles/2003/09/14/news/local/news11.txt

"Simple timing underscores why geologists are putting a target on Salt Lake City: The Wasatch fault here last slipped with a violent shudder about 1,283 years ago - and the intervals between each of the four most recent prehistoric quakes ranged from 1,269 to 1,441 years.

All dates are qualified by different margins of error, but the implication is clear.

"The earthquake strain has been accumulating all this time and there is sufficient energy to release the big one," said Walter Arabasz, director of the University of Utah's Seismograph Stations.

"What's overdue is strong shaking. Since 1847 we've just been lucky," he said.

A magnitude 7.5 quake could kill 7,600 people in the Salt Lake basin, injure 44,000 others and cause $12 billion in building damage alone, a pair of Stanford University engineers calculated in 1994.

The main Wasatch fault, which snakes along the base of the Wasatch Range, isn't the only threat to Utah's largest city. Out on the basin floor, the West Valley fault group also is poised to release a powerful quake.

Over the past 12,000 years, the West Valley complex produced a powerful jolt every 1,700 to 2,000 years - most recently about 2,000 years ago, geologist Jeffrey Keaton determined."


695 posted on 03/28/2005 2:39:08 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

Why is it that every time there is a FR thread on a natural disaster it is always taken over by the religious fruit cakes?


696 posted on 03/28/2005 2:39:59 PM PST by propertius
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To: republicandiva

I thought the same thing, but was waiting for some intelligent FReeper to explain the possible signifigance.


697 posted on 03/28/2005 2:44:52 PM PST by admiralsn (Strangers are just family you have yet to come to know.)
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To: JonDavid

Check out the number of your post. Scary.


698 posted on 03/28/2005 2:46:24 PM PST by cantfindagoodscreenname
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To: propertius
Why is it that every time there is a FR thread on a natural disaster it is always taken over by the religious fruit cakes?

People are terrified that anything can happen, especially bad things, that don't have anything to do with humans...and "people being punished by God" has something to do with humans as it's a divine response to human action or inaction.

Interestingly, the Apocalyptikooks and radical leftist environmentalists are extremely similar; they have difficulty accepting that anything happens that wasn't directly caused by humans; they also share a passion for deception and exaggeration to further their aims.

Regarding the earlier discussion of randomness this quake wasn't "random" in one sense; It was caused by the movement of the Indo-Australian plate Northwards into India, and was on a deep subduction zone; you won't see a quake like this off, say, the East Coast of the US because we don't have a subduction zone (at least not for the next 20 million years or so, when we MAY get one) and one would only expect such quakes in these locations. We're not "randomly" going to have an 8.7 quake under New York City.

But these quakes were happening long before human beings evolved, or moved to the area, or converted to Islam, or Protestantism, etc.

From a HUMAN perspective the quake doesn't really have any meaning other than signfiying the plates are still moving and that living near a subduction zone is dangerous; that isn't enough for a lot of people; the idea that it just basically "happened" and doesn't specically mean anything or wasn't caused by human action or inaction is absolutely terrifying (for the same reason people keep wanting to connect quakes to nuke tests, etc.)

699 posted on 03/28/2005 2:50:29 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: lainie

it hit.

only 10 centimeters high though.


700 posted on 03/28/2005 2:51:36 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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