Posted on 03/25/2005 7:55:28 PM PST by West Coast Conservative
Hours after a judge ordered that Terri Schiavo was not to be removed from her hospice, a team of state agents were en route to seize her and have her feeding tube reinserted -- but they stopped short when local police told them they would enforce the judge's order, The Herald has learned.
Agents of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement told police in Pinellas Park, the small town where Schiavo lies at Hospice Woodside, on Thursday that they were on the way to take her to a hospital to resume her feeding.
For a brief period, local police, who have officers at the hospice to keep protesters out, prepared for what sources called ``a showdown.''
In the end, the squad from the FDLE and the Department of Children & Families backed down, apparently concerned about confronting local police outside the hospice.
''We told them that unless they had the judge with them when they came, they were not going to get in,'' said a source with the local police.
''The FDLE called to say they were en route to the scene,'' said an official with the city police who requested anonymity. ``When the sheriff's department and our department told them they could not enforce their order, they backed off.''
The incident,known only to a few and related to The Herald by three different sources involved in Thursday's events, underscores the intense emotion and murky legal terrain that the Schiavo case has created. It also shows that agencies answering directly to Gov. Jeb Bush had planned to use a wrinkle in Florida law that would have allowed them to legally get around the judge's order. The exception in the law allows public agencies to freeze a judge's order whenever an agency appeals it.
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I'm with you on that one, LN.
Good night to you both. It's late and I've had my say and my fill.
These guys had no warrant whatsoever describing persons or things to be seized.
The guy walked since he was within his rights.
The Ruby Ridge thing was similar in that the cops simply didn't have a warrant for the kid.
We had a yahoo from Prince George's County follow a student to his home in Fairfax County all the way from Howard University.
The cop had no warrant. He wasn't particularly authorized to come into Virginia either, and as it turned out, the student he shot to death wasn't wanted for anything.
The prosecutors and cops stood behind the shooter so he walked. More recently an FBI agent shot an Eagle Scout in the jaw. This boy had the unfortunate luck of being a passenger in a car stopped by Maryland cops.
It took weeks to find the name of the shooter. The cops and prosecutors protected him to the end.
Amazingly these stories stick in my mind, and even more so when it's involved a cop I know like Lon Horiuchi. Frankly I had no idea the guy was a sociopath until the Ruby Ridge thing. I tend to avoid those people.
I think untested cops should be sent into situations like that in Pinellas UNARMED until such time as conditions change to justify their being armed, then they should simply be withdrawn pending the outcome of negotiations.
You waiting for Terri to tell you the real cause between her playing cards with the nurses and greeting visitors to the nursing home?
You fool. Cops carry guns because they dont know what challenges they are going to face. It is standard process. If you think its some kind of special harrassment of you always harrassed Chrisitians, you are even more deluded than you seem. My suggestion, if you dont like guns around kids, keep your G-- Damned kids away from the hospice.
Until I found out all the arrests were scripted in advance, I was in favor of arresting the parents of the kids arrested for endangering their children.
Nothing false about it. Its on the public record. If Randy Boy is going to toss around dirt about Jeb Bush and others he should expect it back. All of this was on Fox News last night. Had interviews with his kids. Its not something made up. The guy lives in glass houses so he shouldnt be throwing stones.
So what is needed is another case to come along that will catch the public eye, and have more substance the executive can use to act?
The courts have been in need of a showdown for some time, yet it has taken a while for a case like this to develop. Perhaps, if efforts to save this woman are not succesful, they will be so emboldened as to keep at it until they slip up and provide the executive with a slam dunk, but it may yet be a while. I am not sure but what it should be fought now.
If you have such a peaceful crowd outside the hospice, why are you worried about a cop killing a kid. You had better worry about some Evangelical whack job or Bo Dietz. So far two evangelicals have been arrested for planning or soliciting someone to kill Schivao or a judge. All it takes is one whack job to show up and pull a gun and cause a stampede. Maybe kids shouldnt be there. Maybe bringing kids to such an environment is child abuse.
The Schindlers have been trying to get media attention -- either right or left -- for years now. There have been few takers, Barbara Simpson of WorldNetDaily being one of them.
The only reason why Terri Schiavo is a household word now is because Jeb Bush went out on a limb for her the last time she was threatened with starvation. Even then, the MSM didn't climb aboard until it had the fishy-looking memo that supposedly caused the Senate vote for a Federal case. Of course, they immediately cast the situation as a "right to die" case, making those who wanted to save her life the enemy.
Police 'Showdown' Averted ['Team of State Agents Were En Route to Seize Terri']
Miami Herald ^ | Sat, Mar. 26, 2005 | CAROL MARBIN MILLER
> I know some would still want that, but I think Jeb made the right call in the end.
At this 11th+ hour, you're probably right.
So it's reasonable to ask why didn't Jeb order this much earlier in the game when the risk of confronation would probably not have arisen?
The timing of so many federal and state (legal and this posse type) "rescue" attempts have left an impression of limp-wristed, impotent and too little too late efforts. Either that or it's a cynical, political grandstanding exercise and effort to (look brave and principled) for manipulation and containment of public opinion and criticism/condemnation.
It's kind of hard to believe that ol' JINO Greer is THAT astute and wily to outsmart, outgun and immasculate Governor Jeb. But, having succeeded, with the whole world watching, both Jeb and brother GW look powerless and must now, surely, be perceived quite differently by other (male) world leaders. Respect for both of them has to be greatly diminished because this pair comes off looking like they're missing their pairs !!
I'll bet tough cookie Condi Rice is probably now more respected worldwide than Jeb and GW.
> I hope this shows that Jeb was serious.
Doubtful. Certainly not in my book.
> He only backed off to avert a state of FL civil war.
Jeb's lack of foresight and decisiveness is appalling. Because of his handling of the situation, Florida's really in a state of anarchy. Everyone knows Greer is now calling the shots and telling Jeb what to do since he allowed himself to be cornered and rendered impotent. Jeb's doing, which has earned him a humiliating, self-inflicted political defeat.
I hope he figures out how to redeem himself -- which will require rescuing/saving Terri before she's too far gone to save.
> Wasn't her heart attack attributed to Low potassium levels?
>
> Yes.
A theoretical medical suggestion (primarily asserted by the HINO/Felos camp) which was discredited by nearly all medical professionals. Dr. Hammesfahr totally rejected, and I think Dr. Baden as well.
Be interesting to see if MS cheked out books and movies on von Bulow.
Nurse status would give him access to insulin and other drugs.
Oh, then who is the woman in the hospice who is being starved to death at court order. If "the court did not order anyone's death," then the nation must be caught in the grip of mass delusion, thinking that a woman is wasting away at the Pinellas hospice, on Judge Greer's orders. I guess it isn't really happening, and all those SWAT cops outside the hospice are there because they thought it was a donut shop.
I think this episode is going to end the Bush dynasty.
Either that, or he's spooked by the polls. This guy - and his brother - certainly don't look like profiles in courage right now. Judge Greer has kicked sand in their faces.
A civil skirmish over an imperial judiciary is exactly what we need. It'll be a while before clear and convincing evidence of judicial incompetence, corruption, and arrogance arises again.
> Low blood sugar level can cause brain damage.
I don't have any medical background and no reason to doubt your info about brain damage. However, in Archon of the East's original post, #24, the question was about heart attack, which I believe doctors have pretty much dismissed as the cause of Terri's collapse in 1990. Is there any possibility that brain damage caused by a low blood sugar level could then cause a heart attack?
> Be interesting to see if MS cheked out books and movies on von Bulow.
> government records on just about everything get saved somewhere. Wouldn't surprise me if his book interests might still be determined.
Insulin overdose can bring down potassium level (which was observed) and could lead to cardiac arrest but my understanding is that heart attack was not confirmed from EEG evidence. Aparently blood suger was not measured or recorded, but potassium was.
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