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No choice for Terri
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 3/24/5 | Debra J. Saunders

Posted on 03/24/2005 9:58:45 AM PST by SmithL

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To: syriacus

That is right. But it was a block of Republicans who could have saved her and they washed their hands.


81 posted on 03/24/2005 2:29:13 PM PST by 8mmMauser ( www.ChristtheKingMaine.com Vade satana!)
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To: BykrBayb
This is about a husband and a wife -- not "anybody".

If a person has verbally expressed a wish "not to live that way" to their spouse, and they find themselves in that condition, what would you suggest?

A) Upon the request of the surviving spouse, pull the feeding tube.
B) Unless he's a real scumbag. Then,
C) Leave it up to the doctor
D) Leave it up to a judge
D) Do a poll in USA Today
E) Ask BykrBayb because she has all the answers

Yes, we should all having living wills, written well enough not to be broken by an overzealous spouse or family. But in those cases where people do not have them, then what?

82 posted on 03/24/2005 2:36:46 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: 8mmMauser
How much more of this outrage can we Americans take?

I think the King and his cops know the "Vast Right Wing" are generally law abiding citizens and therefore they can intimidate them at will.

Hell, if they can poke their fingers in the eyes of Congress and thumb their nose at the Governor, it's easy to bully some peons.

83 posted on 03/24/2005 2:39:48 PM PST by hattend (Liberals! Beware the Perfect Rovian Storm [All Hail the Evil War Monkey King, Chimpus Khan!])
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To: 8mmMauser
But it was a block of Republicans who could have saved her and they washed their hands.

I wonder what it would have taken to make the bad guys vote the right way.

84 posted on 03/24/2005 2:45:02 PM PST by syriacus (Cranford says "Terri has no constitutional rights." Then why has she got a "right" to be starved?)
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To: robertpaulsen

In those cases where someone hasn't signed away their right to life, do the same thing we used to do before written directives. Do the same thing we used to do when written directives were recognized as an individual's request that their care be handled differently than the standard care expected by a civilized society. Just because the right-to-die advocates haven't managed to con enough people into signing away their rights doesn't mean we should take those rights away from people who want them.


85 posted on 03/24/2005 2:48:43 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: hattend

The king doesn't have jurisdiction over the cops. The governor does. Can anybody tell me why they're working for a judge and the estranged spouse of a woman being executed for the crime of being unattractive and nonproductive?


86 posted on 03/24/2005 2:51:25 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb

Good Question.

Unless the cops are state police, they work for the county (sheriff) or the city (local cops).

Hannity's interview right now (replay from H&C last night) is just pissing me off.


87 posted on 03/24/2005 2:56:43 PM PST by hattend (Liberals! Beware the Perfect Rovian Storm [All Hail the Evil War Monkey King, Chimpus Khan!])
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To: 8mmMauser
Remember Gary Bergoff(sp?) Radar from Mash I believe. He called in to my local "we put the smart in smart a$$ radio" show a while ago to talk to guest John McCain...Man was he ticked off. He said that this is gonna be a big mess for those who allowed it and said he's a democrat and it goes across party lines for those who are angry about this.

Republican's tend to remember these things much longer than democrats. It will make a huge difference in the next Florida election, I'm sure.

88 posted on 03/24/2005 4:57:57 PM PST by hope (Choose Life! Deuteronomy 30:19)
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To: smiley

"I do not see the Terri Schavio case as being ridiculous as you seem to indicate..."

I was refering to the guy who comes home and shoots his wife because she said she had a headache and didn't want to live like that. You said it was an excellent example, I thought it was a rediculous scenario. Then I went on to say Florida should require written statements or video in right to life/death cases. What's wrong with that?


89 posted on 03/24/2005 6:37:03 PM PST by Sun Soldier
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To: BykrBayb
"In those cases where someone hasn't signed away their right to life, do the same thing we used to do before written directives."

I agree. The family gathers together, consults with a priest, goes over the medical condition with the doctor, and collectively makes the best decision for the loved one.

That's the way it used to be done until the lawyers got involved.

91 posted on 03/25/2005 5:28:42 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

You're dead wrong. It never used to be legal to murder someone for the crime of being brain damaged. Ask your Mommy & Daddy to tell you how it was thirty years ago.


92 posted on 03/25/2005 7:27:23 AM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb
"It never used to be legal to murder someone for the crime of being brain damaged."

First, I'm talking about maybe 50 years ago. Second, I never said it was legal.

This article explains it better than I can.

93 posted on 03/25/2005 12:25:50 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Did you read the whole article? Let me repeat the last two paragraphs for you.

Rauch was wrong on this point. Custom dictates that the community look the other way about adulterous behavior when it is possible to do so. Discretion when committing adultery is not just a way to hide your behavior; it is a courtesy to everyone, most especially your spouse. But this is not a blanket social writ to go around cheating on the spouse. If you are caught, exposed, or simply so wantonly flagrant in your behavior that your behavior can no longer be ignored — or, in Bill Clinton's case, all three — then society must judge.

The same holds true when cops are caught on aerial cameras beating someone in broad daylight or, for that matter, when evil doctors like Jack Kevorkian (abetted by CBS) are seen on network television killing a patient. Such exposure forces the issue into the public square, because nobody can convincingly pretend it didn't happen, and legal norms and social fictions must be upheld. Such exposure often makes prosecutions unavoidable and some unlucky bastards often pay an unfair price. But just as we can pretend, up until a point, that doctors don't kill patients, or that your neighbor or your president isn't a cheating bastard, when the issue is spilled into your living room, we must disapprove. Such hypocrisies are some of the small payments we make for civilization.

Michael isn't discreetly trying to honor his wife's wishes (which just happen to be illegal). He's blatantly abusing and murdering her, while rubbing everyone's face in it. I am not capable of pretending he isn't doing it. I am not capable of pretending it's right. I don't understand anyone who is, and I don't want to. I don't ever want to become so detached from humanity that I can understand that perspective.

94 posted on 03/25/2005 2:13:48 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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