Posted on 03/23/2005 8:15:17 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
I don't know any of the areas or counties, really, in Florida, except, of course, Pinellas....a place I once visited. My friend lives in Clearwater. I will have to be telling her I'm not spending another dime there, and will not be coming to see her, as she has been asking, repeatedly, for me to come down.
I don't know, but if anyone has the Greer fax number, I'd sure be willing to use up some of his ink and paper.
As maddeneing as it is to watch I'm begiining to believe we're seeing a very carefully constructed process executed driven by the Executive Branches of both the Florida and Federal Governments (read: Jeb and W) that at it's heart is meant to save Terri's life. The tricky part is they're trying to do it in such a way that respects and uses to full adavntage the three distinct jurisdictions of constitutional authority.
The Legislative Branch is now out of the picture, both in Washington and Florida. The only Judicial point not yet explored is the USSC, but FOX is reporting that is now underway. If Kennedy blows it off (I think he might...no specific reason, just a hunch) the Judicial Branch options will have been exhausted.
Which leaves only the Executive Branch, which at both the Federal and State level have openly expressed their desire for Terri to live.
The hearing allowing DCF to take custody of Terri is simply a sop to the part of their enabling legislation that covers normal circumstances. If it's refused they can immediately go to the emergency provisions and remove Terri and not have to justify it before a court until at least mid-next week.
Once again, Bush let the Legislators recuse themselves, let the Courts run to the end of their script, and can now, with full authority, bring the power of the Executive Branch to bear and no one can legitimately claim he's usurped the authority of any other Branch. To make things even better, the section in the DCF statute is not new law, yet reads as if it were written to protect just such a person as Terri.
And if all this fails, I wouldn't be surprised if W has an Ace hiding in his boot.
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TERRI SCHIAVO DAILY MARCH 2005 PART 4, DAY 5 OF HER DEHYDRATION -- PLEASE HANG ON WITH US
Posted by mitchbert to PleaseNoMore
That's right. Which Governor of the 50 Governors will draw a line in the sand and say NO! to JUDICIAL TYRANNY.
I don't know the Florida law. Of course, the existing laws have already been overruled by King Greer.
Thanks. I didn't know for sure either. The TV is on but I'm not listening. I think I'm getting rid of my TV. :)
I like others, are relying on those with the stomach to listen and watch the media..
Thanks for the reminder, pegita.
I am JUMPING each and every time Fox News makes that noise indicating a Fox News Alert.
And then they just repeat what we already know!
If I have a heart attack, I'm blaming Fox News!
In history, people who stood up for their rights amd the rights of others were heroes! Look at the Boston Tea party, the American Revolution, the Civil War! Even the libs call these people American heroes. But today, we will all be called terrorists, religious fanatics, hate mongers, for doing exactly the same thing. Give me liberty or GIVE ME DEATH!
"In cases where other doctors don’t see it, Dr. Cranford seems to have a knack for finding PVS. Cranford also diagnosed Robert Wendland as PVS. He did so in spite of the fact that Wendland could pick up specifically colored pegs or blocks and hand them to a therapy assistant on request. He did so in spite of the fact that Wendland could operate and maneuver an ordinary wheelchair with his left hand and foot, and an electric wheelchair with a joystick, of the kind that many disabled persons (most famously Dr. Stephen Hawking) use. Dr. Cranford dismissed these abilities as meaningless. Fortunately for Wendland, the California supreme court was not persuaded by Cranford’s assessment."
The rest can be found here: http://cellasreview.blogspot.com
Sorry but I just don't have faith in ANY politician at this point... no, I don't think this is part of some 'clever plan' by either W or Jeb.. the girl is suffering and that could have been stopped before it started...legally.. if executive authority means anything anymore, which I don't think it does..
Thanks for posting that transcript from Scarborough. Excellent.
I don't know if anyone else heard this, but on FOX about 45 minutes ago, some guy was saying that if this last effort fails, there is a possibility that the Schindler's could again appeal to the 11th Circuit, due to all the "new information" that has come to light the last few days... again, I'm pretty sure that's what I heard, but don't quote me...
I heard the same thing but there isn't time to appeal this down the line again... even with the new evidence. Time is running out fast.
I wonder what percentage of politicians are sociopaths.
Please forgive me, for this is long, but very appropriate right now:
No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope that it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen, if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve.
This is no time for ceremony. The question before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty towards the majesty of heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.
Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren, till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation?
For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth -- to know the worst and to provide for it. I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years, to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House?
Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with these warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation -- the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motives for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies?
No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us; they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer on the subject? Nothing.
We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves longer.
Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament.
Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope.
If we wish to be free -- if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending -- if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!
They tell us, sir, that we are weak -- unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?
Sir, we are not weak, if we make a proper use of the means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. Three millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us.
The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable -- and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come!
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, "Peace! Peace!" -- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!
Patrick Henry - March 23, 1775
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