Posted on 03/23/2005 2:34:59 PM PST by gopwinsin04
State officials say they are considering removing Terri Schiavo from hospice, by force if necessary, despite numerous court orders upholding the removal of the artificial nutrition tube that has kept her alive for 15 years.
Lucy Hadl, secretary of the Department of Children and Families, said Wednesday morning that her staff is relying on a state law that gives the department the authority to intervene on behalf of a vulnerable adult who is 'suffering from abuse or neglect that presents a risk of death or serious physical injury.'
Hadl said that the DCF would have to file a petition in order to remove Schiavo, but that 'it doesn't mean we'd have to have judicial approval in advance of taking the action if we believed it met the threshold for doing it.'
Hadl said that seven years of court rulings backing Schiavo's husband Michael, in his contention that Terri Schiavo did not wish to be kept alive artificially would not stop the DCF from taking action.
'We're not compelled to look at prior judicial proceedings,' Hadl said.
What we are compelled to look at is the presenting circumstances and any allegiations of abuse and neglect that we have recieved. So we have to deal with those and fufill out statutory responsibility.'
(Excerpt) Read more at palmbeachpost.com ...
I always thought "brain dead" meant no brain function, and they only continued the respirator and heart pump long enough to "harvest" the organs (where that is a consideration).
Seems there may be a reason the JUDGE wants the medical records sealed. They might incriminate some folks. Michael or hospital staff, or both, and the Judge, and the lawyer for hiding the evidence of attempted murder.
I am sure the Florida courts will extend Coueys life at lest 15 yrs in their effort to be restrained.......
LOL!
Let me put my tin foil hat on before you post drivel like this.
They are hiding the documents where they investigated Michael's abuse and domestic violence from the publice. The head of the agency is another member of the Greer circle jerk.
904 was to you
you have friends and family who say just the oppisite....
The motives of Michael Schiavo, George Felos and the pro-death crowd are so long practiced that they are part of the woodwork that we all too often fail to notice because it is no longer new. Likewise, the death by judicial outrage crowd.
This entire matter is a power grab by the judiciary state and federal. It is my hope that the conservative movement and other moral people will expend time, money and resources in examining every breath of each and every one of the judges who have participated in the premeditated judicial murder of this innocent woman, and Michael Schiavo and his "legal team" as well. Their lives should be made a living hell. We are either serious or we are not and the procedural walls erected by these people should not prevail in defense of the substance of their collective evil.
That word was "evil" and we should not shrink from applying it where it is applicable as here. Giving evil the benefit of the doubt or talking nicely to those who are evil or being polite to premeditated killers need not and ought not to be part of the conservative kit bag.
If you want something by which you might be legitimately "frightened," the realize that the judiciary, state and local, is determined to further aggrandize its own power and will claim the ruight to bowl over any and all checks and balances in its way. That being said, 25 years of practicing law tells me that we need not be frightened. We need to be enraged and we need to be legally and nonviolently vindictive.
Cut judicial budgets of the federal courts, for starters, so deeply that the judges will be personally cleaning the latrines if they are cleaned at all. Needless to say, no research clerk salaries, no personal servants of any kind. Let them type their own infamous judgments. Let them be frightened of us. Give them good reason to fear the loss of their every convenience. Also see to it that any significant violation of substantive legislation by any judge gets the full propaganda treatment. If you cannot get them to preside over one anothers' convictions of crime, you can make their lives not worth living.
Our response should be perfectly legal and nonviolent vengeance to the max rather than being "frightened."
Term limit judges.
Strip the federal judiciary of any powers or jurisdiction which has been regularly abused. The constitution specifically grants to Congress that power. It is about time it was used as regularly as Congress enacts budgets or resolutions naming national reptiles or whatever.
As a matter of fact, Congress should resolve that the state and federal judges (other than Charles Wilson of the 11th Circus Court of Appeals who issued a principled dissent against judicial murder) below the level of SCOTUS be known as the national reptiles. Add Mr. Injustice Anthony Kennedy for good measure.
Refuse any and all pay raises for federal judges until the fedcourts and state courts knuckle under to the checks and balances that were supposed to constrain and prevent judicial tyranny. They may have lifetime tenure. There is no constitutional provision guaranteeing them pay raises. Some federal judges actually sued the fedgov claiming such a right. The suit went nowhere because it would be impossible to find a disinterested federal judge who would not benefit him/herself by a decision for raises.
Give the fedcourthouses and any offending state and local courthouses 50 degrees of heat and no more in winter and no air conditioning whatsoever in the summer. See the resignations pile up then. Cut their electric budgets. Disconnect most of their phones. No new computers. No computer repairs. No funding whatsoever of "judicial conferences". Geld the SOBs once and for all by using the constitutional power of the purse which clearly lies with Congress in language so simple that even a judge can read it and understand.
Every day in every way, unless and until the judges surrender to the American people and their elected legislators and executives in this ill-conceived revolution of theirs against the plain language of the constitution and against the normal presumptions of Western Civilization, make it clear to them that they are widely loathed and work in the public to destroy any residual respect for them. Dehumanize them in punishment for their crimes and those of their institutions.
Award prizes in a national contest for the fifty best ideas for making the lives of homicidal and otherwise anticonstitutional judges miserable and carry out each one that is nonviolent and statutorily and constitutionally (text not judicial invention) legal and then carry them out to the nth degree until each such judge has left public life. The Demonrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee have provided the stylistic pattern in their attacks on nominees who actually believe in the sanctity of human life and in the obligation to apply and not invent the constitution.
Often, libertarians (as to whom I am somewhat indifferent so long as they lay off Western Civilization) advocate shunning and ostracism as remedies for despised behavior in lieu of regulation and criminal law. The truly amazing thing here is that a small minority of conservatives on this site have apparently decided that even shunning and ostracism are, well, in bad taste or maybe even, well, RUDE and not at all acceptable down at the Junior League meetings or at the polo club. Pip, pip and cheerio and pass the bloodies!
If judges want to hide behind the long-dead (circa Roe vs. Wade) "rule of law", they can start by refraining in a principled way from premeditated judicial murder. They are no more authorized than anyone else to murder innocent people. The death penalty kills the guilty and far more humanely and far more justly.
Anything irrational here???? If so, the facts and not the editorials, please.
I collect antiques and I own three small ceramic dishes -- one in stoneware, one in fine china (Havilland) and one in pottery. They look like miniature Alladin lamps with a small handle, a long narrow spout, and an opening in the top. I use them to serve pankcake syrup because they pour the syrup evenly and in a thin stream, rather than coming out in a blob.
One of these vessels was inherited directly from my grandmother and the other two I purchased at antique shows. They were common utensils and apt to be found in any Victorian era home up to WWII.
My guests always ask about these pretty little dishes and nobody can ever guess what they were originally used for. They are always surprised when I divulge that they were "invalid feeders" used in households where a member was ill, or severely disabled, or suffering from Alztheimers (dementia), or who had just lost all of their teeth. They were used to feed purees and broth to people who could not feed themselves. They were the 19th century equivalent of feeding tubes.
Wow! Works for me, but how do you propose getting your ideas adopted?
When are you going to come up with any 'proof'? Any 'information' to counter what you believe wrong?
I know, you are defending your boyfriend because he fathered your children, so you don't have to come up with facts. I guess you are as dumb as Michael says you are, Jodi.
Yup. THAT is the condition under which the RC Church allows withdrawal of life support machinery (not the same as nutrition/hydration.)
There is no brain function which triggers breathing, heart activity, etc.---that's brain-dead.
Now there's a whole long discussion of under exactly what circumstances 'organ donations/transfers' are acceptable...
2/25/1990 Terri's Injury
2/25/1990 X-Ray Report Dr. Hameroff
Images taken of cervical spine, no acute bony pathology - straightening of normal cervical lordosis
2/25/1990 Neuro Consult Dr. DeSousa
Deeply comatose. No evidence of acute process in CT scan. Evidence of myoclonic seizures. Rule out acute myocardiac infarction, seizures as cause. Neck is somewhat stiff as is all of the muscles of the body. No jugular venous distension. WBC 26,300, drug screen negative
2/25/1990 CT Scan Report Dr. Hameroff
Normal
2/26/1990 EEG Report Dr. DeSousa
Abnormal EEG indicative of generalized suppression and slowing
2/27/1990 DeSousa Report
Brainstem Auditory Evoked Response shows no significant disruption of the brain stem acoustic pathway - study within normal limits
2/27/1990 CT Scan Report Dr. Greenberg
Normal CT Scan
2/28/1990 EEG Report Dr. DeSousa
Generalized diffuse slowing. Some fast frequency rhythms which were not obvious during previous recording. May have been slight improvement over last EEG.
3/19/1990 EEG Report Dr. DeSousa
Markedly abnormal EEG, no significant improvement from previous records
3/30/1990 CT Scan Report Dr. Abramson
CT Scan shows noncommunicating hydrocephalus, changes occurred since 2/27 exam
Do your medical qualifications exceed those of the neurologist from the Mayo Clinic, who believes her to have consciousness? Impressive, if true. Where do you practice?
So, I guess that must have considered it...and then dismissed that course of action. Am I correct?
That is what it means. JimmyClyde the Greatest Neurologist in the Known Universe has decided it means the same thing as "minimally conscious."
"He will do a lot of talking and posturing, but it is naive to expect anything else from him." Your assessment has prove correct; the governor spouted platitudes regarding his authority but in the end took the CYA approach and begged the leftist courts for permission to do his sworn duty, and of course the judicial told him to shut up and sit down and he complied meekly with same.
I sent that list to Sensenbrenner, who chairs House Judiciary. I think he should send it out to all members of the Arrogant Judiciary Class (sort of as a "leak,") to help them understand what the House could consider.
Such fun we can have with FR!!!
Well, thank you, your comments have pushed me firmly into the "let her die" camp in the Terri Schiavo debate.
Good job.
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