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SHROUD STORY

1 posted on 03/19/2005 6:18:42 AM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 03/19/2005 6:19:19 AM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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3 posted on 03/19/2005 6:21:09 AM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: NYer
I'm sure Barrie Schwortz is very sincere in his beliefs, but I hardly consider him objective in his pursuit of the Shroud's actual origin. I once approached him with a hypothesis of mine regarding the mere probability that the Shroud had a natural, though unintended origin, basing my conclusions on the well-known Byzantine history of the Mandylion. He dismissed me out-of-hand, and from his remarks, it's obvious that he's bought into the idea of the Shroud as a relic from the perspective of faith, not reason. Nothing is going to shake that faith.

To be perfectly fair, I must say that my hypothesis was greeted with equal dismissiveness by those on the other side of the fence; those whose particular article of faith is that the Shroud must be a painting, and have no desire to see it in any other light. There's faith on both sides of the aisle, equally rabid and equally hostile to anything that doesn't fit the standard perspectives.

4 posted on 03/19/2005 7:25:43 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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A recent article on this subject - - full text at:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/bc/2005/002/3.22.html

Here is an excerpt:

Father Brown Fakes the Shroud
Start with a piece of glass and some white oil paint.
by N. D. Wilson

1. I am not an expert on the Shroud of Turin. But then what would it mean to be an expert on the Shroud? Spending months firing gamma rays at linen? Attempting the discoloration of linen through a controlled release of gases? I have not done these things, nor have I paid too much mind to those who have. I am not a scientist at all. I am not even an expert in hagiography and relics. I have not received a single grant or spent a dime on Shroud research that wasn't taken directly out of my wife's shopping budget. What I am, is an outlier. And, as luck would have it, I was reading the right collection of short stories at the right time. I am as unqualified to work on such a mysterious cloth as any medieval forger. And yet, like that unknown, unwashed villain of the past, I can place an image on linen using such sophisticated tools as glass and sunlight.

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Sometime in 2000 I sat in a graduate school classroom at Liberty University and watched an amazing slide show on the Shroud. Dr. Gary Habermas presented what he knew about the sacred cloth—which was a lot. I would have liked to simply brush the issue of the Shroud aside, laugh and wonder why time was being wasted on the subject, but that was impossible. The Shroud was too complex, and there was too much weirdness surrounding it to be casually dismissed.

Habermas was careful to point out that he had not landed on one side or the other of the authenticity debate (nor did he think that he could). No one had ever shown how an image like this could be produced, and yet science had weighed in with carbon dating placing the Shroud firmly in the twelve to thirteen hundreds, a date overwhelmingly considered legitimate until very recently.

The image on the Shroud is of a man of moderate height. He is neither small nor large. The entirety of the man's front and back are shown on the same side of the cloth. The cloth is of a fine herringbone weave and is about 14 ft. 3 in. long by 3 ft. 7 in. wide. The man on the cloth has been crucified and the locations of his wounds are shown with a liberal use of human blood. He bears the stigmata, though the nail holes are not located in his iconic palms, but in his more anatomically correct wrists. His brow bears the blood resultant from the placement of a crown of thorns, there is a spear wound in his side, his face has been beaten, his nose broken (cartilage separated from the bone for Bible-believing Shroud proponents [John 19:36]), and his back has been mercilessly torn and beaten with a flail. The wounds from his whipping run all the way from his heels to the back of his scalp. He is bearded; his countenance is noble and looks much like many medieval icons of Christ.

These are all the details needed to convince some of the faithful. But scientists, never willing to take religion lying down, needed more than this to impress them.

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In one of my touristy books, there is a collection of quotes on the Shroud from various popes. Most are simply statements on the impressiveness of the image, but there is one that is particularly surprising. It is attributed to Pope Pius XI and was reportedly made in 1936 while handing out photos of the Shroud to some Catholic youth.

"These are not pictures of the Blessed Virgin, it is true, but pictures that remind us of her as no other can. Since they are pictures of her Divine Son, and so, we can truly say, the most moving, loveliest, dearest ones that we can imagine."

I have been asked why a baptized Christian would want to undermine claims to the Shroud's authenticity. The answer is simple. Christians are to abhor falsehood. And at the top of the list of falsehoods to abhor should be religious lies and all other forms of Christian hypocrisy. When I first read Pius XI on the Shroud I felt something deep in my spiritual genes speak up under the name of Martin Luther. In certain Shroud circles claims about the unimportance of the Shroud's authenticity are tossed around. "Whether it is genuine or simply the work of an artist does not matter. It is a beautiful and inspiring icon." My hackles will always stand up. If it is not genuine, it is most believably the product of a murder. But even then I pity the forgers. They did not mean their work to be an icon for Mary.

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I have not proved much. Or, I do not think that I have. Men and women who have believed in the Shroud will continue to believe. There is a fireman somewhere in Italy who risked his life to save the Shroud. I have a great deal of respect for that man. Perhaps I've given those who disbelieve more reason for noses lifted in the air, but I have not proved that the Shroud was faked. What I have done is crudely demonstrate that such an image could easily be produced in a matter of weeks by wicked men with no scruples, a little imagination, and a little more skill. The fact that it could have been faked does not mean that it was, though I believe it to have been. What I have done is close another door on the case for the Shroud. "Modern science has been unable to produce such an image" remains true enough, as I am no scientist. But no longer can it be said, "No one has ever shown how it could have been done."

N.D. Wilson (www.shadowshroud.com) is the managing editor of Credenda/Agenda magazine and a Fellow of Literature at New St. Andrews College, where he listens to the speeches and poetry of freshmen, who are dear to his heart.

[See the full article at the link,
http://www.christianitytoday.com/bc/2005/002/3.22.html
if you would like to see the complete demonstration of the author's claim.]


5 posted on 03/19/2005 7:34:43 AM PST by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: NYer

I hate to be a wet blanket,but even if the shroud turns out to be authentic,who's to say the image is actually Jesus?


6 posted on 03/19/2005 7:44:13 AM PST by thombo
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To: NYer

BUMP


22 posted on 03/19/2005 9:39:39 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: NYer

Forgive the pun but this topic will forever be "shrouded" in mystery and that's only if it is "that shroud." There is no proof positive of what Christ looked like or any witnesses upon whom to call concerning his appearance. Just another iconic symbol to "worship" rather than the real thing.


26 posted on 03/19/2005 9:50:50 AM PST by elephantlips
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To: NYer

interesting


44 posted on 03/19/2005 7:39:19 PM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: NYer

I dearly love that picture. I have total faith that the shroud was Jesus'.


46 posted on 03/19/2005 7:59:28 PM PST by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it)
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To: NYer

Could you point me in the direction of where you got this particular picture of Jesus in your post 1 on this thread?


48 posted on 03/19/2005 11:25:16 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: NYer

bttt


52 posted on 03/19/2005 11:58:06 PM PST by nopardons
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