Posted on 03/18/2005 10:41:59 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
Greer gives order
You're lying, and you know it.
It's really appauling you call it sick to oppose murder, but are gleeful over starving and dehydrating someone to death over a period of several days - going through untold torture and pain as she will die. You are sick and disgusting.
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No. Only capped. She has (had) a little port on her tummy. That was surgically removed - without her consent, of course - because we need to protect her privacy.
Her husband has a court order banning all video or photos of her - to "protect her privacy"...
From what i've read you haven't done anything sort of brain thinking in this thread
After 15 years, trust me, she's trying.
I worry for the safety of the babe and kids!!!!
I have never regretted it, and my aunt died a relatively peaceful, natural death. Thinking back on it, one nurse got me cornered and tried to intimidate me into not doing it. I just ignored them all. I prayed really hard about what was the right thing to do in that situation. My aunt was cognizant when we discussed it, but wouldn't say one way or another what she wanted and then worsened to the point she could no longer express her wishes.
In the discussion with her minister, I brought up that this had never come up in our family before, and my aunt agreed that was true.
Anyway, once in, I don't know if I could have ordered it out or not. My sister was the only person who encouraged me because she travels in exalted circles which includes medical professionals and she knew that death by starvation was a painful process.
I was the one who had to ok the insertion. Looking back, I was pretty naive. They had a DNR on her chart or whatever, and I never ordered that and I'm sure she didn't. The doctor probably did that. Who gets to decide on DNR's? This was in Illinois.
what's the latest?
I hadn't heard it, but I wouldn't doubt it. He's having her incinerated and they're barring her reception of Eucharist, so what surprise is there left?
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It's funny you say that. It reminds me of a conversation I once had in law school with Justice Scalia -- who knows a bit about the Constitution. I asked him if it was not at least a defensible position to say, that the legislative intent of the Constitution was the Declaration of Independence, which declared a "right to life."
Justice Scalia said the following -- which I dutifully ran on the cover of my law school newspaper.
"The Declaration of Independence is a nice puff piece, but it is not the law."
As Scalia pointed out -- the United States Constitution was silent on the issue of abortion -- and therefore it neither prevented or permitted abortion. A position many do not realize Scalia holds. As Scalia properly pointed out, the question of abortion is, by the Constitution, a State question only.
It is an undisputed legal fact, that issues involving medical rights, including medical directives and extraordinary measures, are issues that are the province of the States. In Florida, apparently, in the absence of a medical directive by a patient, the law defaults to permit that decision to be made by the husband.
The Schiavo case shows why that default is probably not the best scenario. In my opinion, and that of an entire body of law, no Federal issue is implicated. Unfortunately, the Florida legislature and many others do not use the default that in the absence of a medical directive, a patient has an absolute right to live by any means available. I suspect that the law will reflect that -- unfortunately -- after Terri is gone.
During my father's final illness, we had a feeding tube inserted. He was having difficulty swallowing and the tube allowed additional nutrition. There was some hope that surgery would improve his condition. As it happens, it did not, but you go with hope and life.
I suspect this lady could learn to eat without the tube if she were given the therapy. The fact that she can swallow her own saliva offers hope. You go with hope and life.
I was under the impression that Federal criminal law protects witnesses called before official congressional committee proceedings. Looking for references.
May 1997- Attorney Deborah Bushnell writes the Judge on the case, Judge Shames, and states in the letter that the Schindler's need to be notified that Michael Schiavo intends to have Terri moved to a Hospice and have her feeding tube removed.
(February 13, 1997 until at least April 26, 2001, George J. Felos was listed as a member or recent member of the Board of Directors for "The Hospice of The Florida Suncoast" on the non-profit's annual reports.)
When was Terri Moved?
What happened to Deborah Bushnell and Judge Shames?
August 1997 - New attorney for Michael Schiavo, George Felos, notifies the Schindlers that Michael was going to have the feeding tube removed.
May 1998 - George Felos files a petition to have Terri's feeding tube removed.
April 1999 - House Bill 2131 was introduced in the legislature by the Florida Elder Affairs & Long-Term Care Committee to amend Section 765 (Civil Rights) of the Florida Statutes. Amendments to Section 765.101 = legal definition of life prolonging procedures to add: "INCLUDING ARTIFICIALLY PROVIDED SUSTENENCE AND HYDRATION, WHICH SUSTAINS, RESTORES, OR SUPPLANTS A SPONTANEOUS VITAL FUNCTION". It becomes law on October 1, 1999.
January 24, 2000 - Judge Greer presides over the case determining whether Michael Schiavo can have Terri starved/dehydrated to death.
February 11, 2000 - Judge Greer orders Terri Schiavo to rot away.
Notice, Felos becomes the lawyer and files the petition. Then the law in Tallahassee gets changed. Then the Schiavo case gets heard. In that order.
Who lobbied for changing the law to make food and water be defined as "artificial" life support in 1999?
In 1999 House Bill 2131 was introduced from the Florida Elder Affairs and Long-Term Care Committee
House 2131: Relating to End-of-life Care
H 2131 GENERAL BILL by Elder Affairs & Long-Term Care (HFC); Argenziano;
(CO-SPONSORS) Heyman; Sobel; Reddick; Fiorentino; Bilirakis;
Littlefield; Kosmas; Bitner; Jacobs; Levine; Bloom
I contacted the Clerk of The Florida House and was informed that "Bilirakis" was Representative "Gus Michael Bilirakis" (terms 1998 - 2000 and 2001 - 2003). See also http://www.gusbilirakis.com
Note that the hospice where Terri Schiavo has been held is operated by Suncoast Hospice. Rep. Gus Michael Bilirakis lists himself on the Suncoast Hospice Board of Directors - along with George Felos who filed the suit in the summer of 1998 to withdraw food and water form Terri Schiavo.
Source: http://www.gusbilirakis.com/about.html see last paragraph
From everything I have seen, Rep. Bilirakis enjoys a good reputation as a pro-life politician.
The modification to the law was subsequent to a report commissioned by the legislature. See attachment.
Looking at the report and the committee's recommendation, it is my opinion the current use of that law (765.101) in Terri Schiavo's case was unforeseen by many who voted in favor of the amendment because Terri Schiavo does not meet the threshold criteria to get to the issue of whether to remove food & water. i.e. Terri is not "brain dead", "unconscious" or "unresponsive to anything in her environment"; she is merely disabled.
Was HB 2131 (in 1999) "enabling" legislation specifically sought by George Felos to allow him to withdraw food & water from Terri Schiavo with the State's blessing?
I just can't get over how beautiful she was. And, now, they are saying she reacted to the news that her tube was to be removed by trying to get up out of her bed. She isn't in a PVS. She's still beautiful.
I don't believe she ever said that. I think her husband's a liar.
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