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CA: The talk in Los Angeles is the talk of getting out (33% want to leave)
Daily Breeze ^ | 3/17/2005 | Josh Grossberg

Posted on 03/17/2005 3:59:11 PM PST by BurbankKarl

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To: Clemenza
OK, HOW THE F-CK DO PEOPLE LIVE IN UPLAND AND COMMUTE TO LA? ARE THEY ON METH OR SOMETHING?

Upland? That's nothing, how bout Rialto, Fontana, and other smog-ridden hell holes even further away. Soon, they'll not enloy have the commute to enjoy, but negative equity as well.

61 posted on 03/17/2005 4:46:28 PM PST by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: Vision Thing

Wait another 5 years until about 7 million boomers are on the dole. Without radical changes CA is header for bad times.


62 posted on 03/17/2005 4:47:34 PM PST by John Lenin (With friends like the Germans and French who needs enemies ?)
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation
Rialto = Compton East

Fontana aka "Fontucky" used to = Meth and Bikers. I understand it has become more suburbanized now.

63 posted on 03/17/2005 4:48:01 PM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: Vision Thing
The bubble is due to burst, and I waiting to get in when it does.

Oh, not to worry. Prices always come down after an earthquake. We are probably due for one in the near future. The trick is to buy in the year when everyone is panicking afterwards. You should find some fairly good deals then.

They say that prices should stabilize over the next 5 years. Prices have gone up like crazy, but that should stop soon. Historically, real estate goes up about 7% per year. We have increased far beyond that for the last 5 years. It has to slow down. A natural disaster could bring prices down for a short time. That's the time to buy.

64 posted on 03/17/2005 4:49:22 PM PST by Nachum ( "Let everyone get a move on and take some hilltops! Whatever we take, will be ours- Ariel Sharon)
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To: Inspectorette

My folks sold last year and moved to Oregon. Most people about to retire will do the same thing. Pay for a house cash and cut your tax bill in half.


65 posted on 03/17/2005 4:49:46 PM PST by John Lenin (With friends like the Germans and French who needs enemies ?)
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To: L,TOWM

Welcome to Texas!


66 posted on 03/17/2005 4:50:01 PM PST by Orange1998
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To: John Lenin

[...is caving in like a cheap tent...]


I've never heard that one before. :^)


67 posted on 03/17/2005 4:53:34 PM PST by spinestein ( "I thought I knew everything. I didn't get it. I'm here to say I was totally wrong." --B. Boxer)
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To: BurbankKarl
Everybody likes to yap about how California is warm and how Florida is warm and how Arizona is warm and on and on.

Everybody loves to yap about the "icebox" that is the Northeast or the "dreariness" of the Pacific Northwest.

Yet whenever surveys for "most liveable" cities comes out, they are almost always located in the Northeast or Pacific Northwest while cities in the Sunny South and Southwest rank near the bottom (except maybe San Diego).

Always wondered why that is.

68 posted on 03/17/2005 4:54:50 PM PST by SamAdams76 (Bush Announces Exit Strategy For Iraq: 'We'll Go Through Iran")
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To: spinestein

RINOLD, is he a Ted Kennnedy clone ?


69 posted on 03/17/2005 4:55:25 PM PST by John Lenin (With friends like the Germans and French who needs enemies ?)
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To: OldPossum

[It's always been a mystery to me why people will pay through the nose just to live in some locale considered "desirable" when there are many other places to go in this large, wonderful country.]


One great big DITTO to this.


70 posted on 03/17/2005 4:55:28 PM PST by spinestein ( "I thought I knew everything. I didn't get it. I'm here to say I was totally wrong." --B. Boxer)
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To: BurbankKarl
Wow.

Nineteen paragraphs in the story and not a single mention of "illegal aliens" - or even the PC term, "undocumented workers" - and the story mumbles on, mystified why so many taxpaying people want to get out of LA, can't afford it and the quality of life stinks!!??

Incredible. Talk about denial!

71 posted on 03/17/2005 4:57:06 PM PST by Gritty ("With 8-15 million illegals,is there any hope for avoiding the nightmare of Balkanization?-VD Hanson)
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To: Clemenza

Not anymore my cousins live in Fontana it's not the Trailer Park Trash it has been known to be..

Check out Hemet, Desert Hot Springs..Beautiful Homes and they were Meth Cities for a LONG TIME

There is a new Sheriff in town and these cities are 'Movin on Up"


72 posted on 03/17/2005 4:57:24 PM PST by missyme (The Cosmic Effect of some Freepers...)
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To: SamAdams76

Thats because cities like Houston, Dallas, Phoenix, LA, etc. are SPRAWLING HELLHOLES where you have to drive from one strip mall to another even if they are built next to eachother. Add to that hot as hell weather in the summertime (LA the exception) and you can see why "Sunbelt" cities s-ck!


73 posted on 03/17/2005 5:03:33 PM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: BurbankKarl

That is good news for conservatives. If that 33% leaves - that will be great news at election time.


74 posted on 03/17/2005 5:03:35 PM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: BurbankKarl

BTW, the Upper Midwest is full and there are so many mosquitos that nobody could enjoy living here.

And anyone who calls it "God's Country" is just trying to make trouble for us.




Stay away.


75 posted on 03/17/2005 5:04:02 PM PST by spinestein ( "I thought I knew everything. I didn't get it. I'm here to say I was totally wrong." --B. Boxer)
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To: BurbankKarl; All

THEY WILL get their wish. Though the mode of leaving is not apt to be to their liking. Below are some reasons I think so, believe so.




Following are some excerpts from docs posted on this site from one of the more impressive prophetic grandfathers and grandsons I've come across:

http://www.handofhelp.com/vision_1.php?PHPSESSID=a312a834e970d4dc412ebff3c1437079




The Message For America

September, 1984

Late one night, I could not sleep, The children were sleeping on the luggage. My wife and daughter were crying, I went outside and walked around. I didn't want them to see me cry. I walked around the building, crying and saying, "God! Why did you punish me? Why did you bring me into this country? I can't understand anybody. If I try to ask anybody anything, all I hear is, "I don't know."

I stopped in front of the apartment and sat on a large rock. Suddenly a bright light came toward me. I jumped to my feet because it looked as if a car was coming directly at me, attempting to run me down! I thought the Romanian Secret Police had tracked me to America, and now they were trying to kill me. But it wasn't a car at all. As the light approached, it surrounded me. From the light I heard the same voice that I had heard so many times in prison.

He said "Dumitru, why are you so despaired?" I said, "Why did you punish me? Why did you bring me to this country? I have nowhere to lay my head down. I can't understand anybody." He said, "Dumitru, didn't I tell you I am here with you, also? I brought you to this country because this country will burn." I said, 'then why did you bring me here to burn? Why didn't you let me die in my own country? You should have let me die in jail in Romania! He said, "Dumitru, have patience so I can tell you. Get on this." I got on something next to him. I don't know what it was. I also know that I was not asleep. It was not a dream. It was not a vision. I was awake just as I am now.

He showed me all of California and said, "This is Sodom and Gomorrah! All of this, in one day it will burn! It's sin has reached the Holy One." Then he took me to Las Vegas. "This is Sodom and Gomorrah. In one day it will burn." Then he showed me the state of New York. "Do you know what this is?" he asked. I said, "No." He said "This is New York. This is Sodom and Gomorrah! In one day it will burn." Then he showed me all of Florida, "This is Florida." he said. "This is Sodom and Gomorrah! In one day it will burn."

. . . .

He said, "Remember this, Dumitru. The Russian spies have discovered where the nuclear warehouses are in America. When the Americans will think that it is peace and safety - from the middle of the country, some of the people will start fighting against the government. The government will be busy with internal problems. Then from the ocean, from Cuba, Nicaragua, Mexico,,.." (He told me two other countries, but I didn't remember what they were.) "...they will bomb the nuclear warehouses. When they explode, America will burn!"

"What will you do with the Church of the Lord? How will you save the ones that will turn toward you?" I asked. He said, "Tell them this: how I saved the three young ones from the furnace of fire, and how I saved Daniel in the lions den, is the same way I will save them."

The angel of the Lord also told me, "I have blessed this country because of the Jewish people who are in this country. I have seven million Jews in this country, but they do not want to recognize the Lord. They didn't want to thank God for the blessing they received in this country. Israel doesn't want to recognize Jesus Christ. They put their faith in the Jewish people in America. But, when America burns, the Lord will raise China, Japan, and other nations to go against the Russians. They will beat the Russians and push them all the way to the gates of Paris.

Over there they will make a treaty, and appoint the Russians as their leaders. They will then unite against Israel. When Israel realizes she does not have the strength of America behind her, she will be frightened. That's when she will turn to the Messiah for deliverance. That's when the Messiah will come. Then, the church will meet Jesus in the air, and he will bring them back with Him to the Mount of Olives. At that time, the battle of Armageddon will be fought."

When I heard all of this I said, "if you are truly the angel of the Lord, and everything you have told me is true, then all you have said must be written in the Bible." He said, "Tell everyone to read from Jeremiah 51:8-15, Revelation chapter 18, and Zechariah chapter 14, where Christ fights against those who possess the earth. After His victory," the angel said, "there will be one flock and one Shepherd. There will be no need for light. The Lamb of God will be the Light. There will be no sickness, no tears, and no deaths. There will only be eternal joy and God will be the ruler.

There will be only one language. Only one song. And no need for a translator! .... And, Dumitru," he continued, "a word of warning. If you keep anything from the American people that you are told, I will punish you severely." "How will I know that this is for real -that it will really happen?" I asked. "As a sign that I have spoken to you, tomorrow before you wake, I will send someone to bring you a bed, and at noon I will send you a car and a bucket of honey. After which I will send someone to pay your rent." (See chapter 10, "THROUGH THE FIRE WITHOUT BURNING.") Then the angel left.




When Will it Happen?
SEPT. 1984: "From the middle of the country, some of the people will start fighting against the government. The Government will be busy with internal problems. Then..." (The attack will come) Look around you! Look at the rise of the militias. They are in virtually every state and growing in strength and numbers. They are training right now to do battle against the government. One militia leader has recently stated that if the government continues to distance itself from the people, war and revolution is inevitable. All it would take is one incident to unite the militias.

1991: The angel said: "Tell the people of America that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years. If they will turn away from sin and turn back to God, they will make it through the second day to the third day. If they don't, they will not make it."

NOV. 1993: "I opened a great book with the words "BOOK OF THE GENTILES" scrawled on it. I saw all kinds of names written page after page. When I reached the end of the book, l found that there were one and three quarter pages left blank, unwritten."

JAN. 1996: The angel said to me, "Do you remember how many pages were left to fill when I showed you last time? Now there is but one page left. When this is completed, what I have told you will happen to America." He then told me that the time needed to complete this last page will be shorter.

APRIL 1996 in a vision : The Russian and Chinese presidents made a contract to fight against America. A voice said to me, "Watch where the Russians penetrate America." I saw the words written: Alaska, Minnesota, Florida. Then the man spoke again, "When America goes to war with China, the Russians will strike without warning."... The presidents of two other countries said, "We too will fight for you." Each had a place already planned as a point of attack... . "Without a doubt, together, we can destroy America .... Everything I have shown you is how it will REALLY happen .... Then, when it comes to pass, the people will remember the words the Lord has spoken."




What To Do
Everything is ready to happen right now. It will be on a day just like today. "In one day America will burn." It will be a surprise attack just like Pearl Harbor, except this time America will be the target of nuclear weapons. It will happen when we least expect it, only it will be in your city or a place near you. As Americans, our only hope is to turn away from sin to a new life in Jesus Christ. God is not asking us to do hard things, but to stop lying, cheating, stealing and sinning in all possible ways. He is not telling us to run out of America or run to the mountains or forest to hide. God is telling us to run to Him and He will protect us, even if a nuclear bomb falls right next to us. But without God's protection, what defense would you have against a nuclear attack.




If You are a Christian
If you are a Christian living in sin, you must put an end to it today. Tomorrow will be too late! Just say to God from your heart that you are sorry for what you have done in disgracing the name of God and Jesus to all those around you, through them seeing you living in sin. Ask Jesus to come into your heart and make you clean. God never gets tired of forgiving - it doesn't matter what you have done in the past, but now go and do not sin anymore!

If you have never prayed to receive the Holy Spirit, then pray everyday without ceasing. He will replace the emptiness inside of you with peace, love and joy. He will guide you in all truth, comfort you in your times of distress and help you say no to sin.

"Many who carry the name of CHRISTIAN are overcome by greed, fornication, drunkenness, and a pursuit for great wealth. Those who live in defilement and meditate upon evil things will have no escape..."




If You are Not a Christian
If you are not a Christian and have not received the gift of forgiveness, which God grants freely, then right now ask God for it. Just pray to God from your heart and say that you are sorry for every sin and every evil thought or desire. Ask Jesus to come into your heart; it is the most important thing in your life; be baptized in water and pray everyday without ceasing to receive the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will help you turn your life around so that you can, as Jesus instructed the woman caught in adultery, "Go and sin no more." Get to know God better by reading the Bible. You may find it helpful to start with the gospel of John in the New Testament.




God's Promises to Americans
"The pure in heart will not be punished...Those who are faithful and true, will hear the trumpet of God and the voice of God's angel crying WAKE UP! They will be told where to go."...

l looked down and saw beautiful cities... "This is your refuge when the times of tribulation fall upon California. Your family and all those who hear the voice of the Lord will understand the message of God's mighty trumpet. "Only the righteous will I save, some out of the midst of the fire."

"I the Lord will work in ways that you cannot imagine, but be Holy."

A great army, well armed and dressed in white, appeared before me. "This army will go to battle to save my chosen ones."

"At the appointed time, I will speak to them like I speak to you as to what they must do."

"I will send a chariot of salvation and take each one out in his appointed time."

"All those who repent and turn back to God will be saved from the day of trouble."

Excepted from:
Dreams and Visions From God
Copyright © 1994, 1996, 2000


76 posted on 03/17/2005 5:04:25 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: SamAdams76
"Yet whenever surveys for "most liveable" cities comes out, they are almost always located in the Northeast or Pacific Northwest while cities in the Sunny South and Southwest rank near the bottom (except maybe San Diego)."

Because the surveys are written by folks from the Northeast or Pacific Northwest?
77 posted on 03/17/2005 5:05:11 PM PST by labard1
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To: Clemenza
I live a mile and a half from the boulevard and have to say that it's getting nicer all the time. The new in-migration in the city is westsiders moving to the valley, where you get a lot more house for your three-quarters of a million dollars. As a consequence, a number of very good restaurants have opened and the shops are getting more upscale as well. Some very cool bars are turning up, too, although I generally prefer the English pub I can walk to. There are sections--Studio City and Sherman Oaks (my neck of the woods) that actually have an active sidewalk life nights and weekends.

Fortunately, I bought my house four years ago. I'd never be able to afford my neighborhood now.

78 posted on 03/17/2005 5:06:38 PM PST by Heyworth
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To: labard1
And obviously, these survey writers vacation in beautiful San Diego. :-)
79 posted on 03/17/2005 5:08:11 PM PST by Vision Thing (The Surgeon General has determined that being Democrat is bad for your health.)
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To: labard1

I hear that New Jersey has higher rents than California. The surveys are based on cost of living and a lot of other factors like traffic, crime and the such. Time to get real, CA is heading towards the botoom of the list. This place is nothing like it was when I first came here the first time in 1981.


80 posted on 03/17/2005 5:10:05 PM PST by John Lenin (With friends like the Germans and French who needs enemies ?)
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