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CA: The talk in Los Angeles is the talk of getting out (33% want to leave)
Daily Breeze ^ | 3/17/2005 | Josh Grossberg

Posted on 03/17/2005 3:59:11 PM PST by BurbankKarl

The talk in Los Angeles is the talk of getting out In fact, a third of the residents surveyed said they want to move away, up more than 20 percent from 2003. The mood here in the South Bay, however, is slightly rosier.

Fed up with traffic, crime and skyrocketing housing prices, a growing number of Los Angeles County residents say they plan to move away within five years, according to a survey released Wednesday.

Although the mood in the South Bay area was slightly rosier, the report by the Public Policy Institute of California calls the county's 10 million residents "stunningly unhappy with some key indicators of quality of life and paints a picture of growing concern for any chance of long-term recovery."

"I spend all my money on rent," said San Pedro resident Janelle Anderson. "And now with gas prices going up, I'd love to find a cheaper place to live. But it's not that easy to leave your job and family."

The number of residents who plan to leave the county almost doubled in two years. A similar survey in 2003 found that 17 percent of residents did not see themselves staying in the county. The number is now 33 percent.

In fact, more people in the city of Los Angeles say they plan to leave than the 26 percent who voted in the recent mayoral election, said Mark Baldassare, the survey's director.

"It seems they plan to vote with their feet," he said.

For Torrance resident Gary Webb, it's the unrelenting traffic that makes him ponder leaving.

"It seems like I'm always in my car," he said. "And it keeps getting worse. I can't go anywhere without getting stuck in traffic."

The third annual survey found traffic, lack of affordable housing and low-performing public schools as reasons for the bleak outlook -- 74 percent of the 2,000 participants said congestion on freeways and main roads was a major problem. Another 64 percent said a lack of affordable housing was a big problem in the county. Both those figures have significantly increased from two years ago, when 67 percent cited traffic woes and 54 percent mentioned housing.

"So many dimensions of people are more negative today," Baldassare said. "The way they rate housing problems, the way they view race relations, and increasing negativity were certainly important things we noted."

In all, 58 percent believe race relations were not so good, compared to 53 percent in 2003. Different races also had varied outlooks. Only 21 percent of blacks -- compared to 50 percent of all residents -- say police in their community treat all racial and ethnic groups fairly most of the time.

But there were some silver linings in the survey. For instance, most residents expect race relations to improve.

"There are areas that have optimism," Baldassare said. "Most people believe race and ethnic relations will improve. And we're seeing improvements in the economy and the general belief that the quality of life is still good."

Dowell Myers, a professor of urban planning and demographics at USC, suggested that the survey include a question about whether people planned to move. He said he was a little surprised at the results, but he also cautioned about reading too much into them.

"It's a little higher than I would expect," he said. "It's not clear people are going to act different. People complain about traffic, but don't leave."

But if people do follow up on their plans to move, it could spell trouble in the future.

"The danger is people will still keep coming, but the ones you want to keep might go away because they've got other choices," he said. "You might be keeping the wrong kinds of people. Middle-class taxpayers might get up and go. That's the key. Who are the ones leaving?"

The survey divided the county into four parts. The area that includes the South Bay -- which stretches from Long Beach to Malibu -- was more optimistic about many trends. While generally unhappy with traffic, two-thirds of the area's residents said things were going well. They also gave the highest rating to the economy (40 percent) and expressed strong approval of local parks (68 percent).

"Some of the optimism in the region reflects the fact that people have good air quality, good job opportunities," Baldassare said. "Many people are in good economic shape compared to other parts of the county."


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KEYWORDS: aliens; la; laexodus; losangeles
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To: 68 grunt
March 6, 2005
Orange County Register

California remains mired in a budget mess for the simple reason that the state government continues to spend taxpayers' dollars far in excess of the revenues that come in. Because the Democratic-controlled Legislature refuses to control its spending habits, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is looking to put a spending limitation on the November ballot that forces the government to live within its means. So far, so good.

Unfortunately, he might be leaning toward a measure backed by the California Chamber of Commerce and the Business Roundtable that, if enacted, would limit spending only in rare instances and could be used as a justification for increasing taxes.

A spending limit should, in theory, significantly limit spending. But the "California Live Within Our Means Act" is a thrown-together idea that gives the appearance of limiting spending without sufficiently doing so. The apparent goal is a political one: to short-circuit a real spending cap proposed by Sen. John Campbell (limiting budget growth to an increase in population and inflation).

The California Live Within Our Means Act would limit spending increases to the average increase in revenues from the past three years' budgets. It would give the governor the power to trigger across-the- board spending cuts when the Legislature overspends that limit, but there is nothing to stop the Legislature from relying on tax increases to "fix" the overspending.

If Gov. Schwarzenegger embraces this foolish idea rather than the serious limits proposed by Sen. Campbell, the public had better brace for continuing budget crises and a renewed pitch for higher taxes. Better no reform at all than this phony bill of goods.

'Live Within Our Means' means little

121 posted on 03/17/2005 6:31:01 PM PST by John Lenin (What problem ?)
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To: BurbankKarl

No mention of the multiple pressures caused by Illegal/legal immigration? Not a very objective article.

Though they did mention the bad schools but no mention of why.

Middle class moving away -- tax base moving out big time. Not looking good for the DPRK.


122 posted on 03/17/2005 6:35:01 PM PST by citizen (Yo W! Read my lips: No Amnistia by any name!)
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To: John Lenin

You really should go with mommy and daddy to Oregon. LA is not for the weak.


123 posted on 03/17/2005 6:42:21 PM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: 68 grunt

Been self employed for 27 years, I think I can handle myself. Talk to me when the bubble bursts.


124 posted on 03/17/2005 6:46:53 PM PST by John Lenin (What problem ?)
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To: L,TOWM

"I was born in San Diego and lived my entire 43 years in CA. This state has turned into an overpriced $#!+hole."

Yep. I live in Ventura in a good area, and I don't even like to leave town anymore.


125 posted on 03/17/2005 6:48:47 PM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: BurbankKarl

126 posted on 03/17/2005 6:48:57 PM PST by timestax
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To: 68 grunt

As Al Goron once said, you ain't seen nothing yet, this is just the beginning.


127 posted on 03/17/2005 6:50:03 PM PST by John Lenin (What problem ?)
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To: Nachum

What a wonderful article. I encourage all unhappy Los Angeles residents to leave.
It is just awful here, get going while the going is good!

Please go!

I will just have to stay here and suffer the terrible warm weather, beaches and mountains by myself.

Really. It's OK. I can handle it. You go on now. Don't worry about us. We'll be OK.

No kidding.


No we don't want them in Normal USA, the Red States, you kalifornia freaks stay away, we will make you very uncomfortable in Decent America. Keep you political correctness to your stupid selves, stay where you belong, you are not welcome in Decent America.


128 posted on 03/17/2005 6:52:23 PM PST by Ethyl (T)
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To: timestax

129 posted on 03/17/2005 6:52:25 PM PST by timestax
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To: John Lenin

That figures. Campbell has the right idea....anything else is bullshit.


130 posted on 03/17/2005 6:52:30 PM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: international american

No politician will ever do what has to be done. I will stand by my prediction, Wall Street will take over when the state defaults on the bonds.


131 posted on 03/17/2005 6:55:14 PM PST by John Lenin (What problem ?)
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To: Heyworth

" we decided to try Sherman Oaks. Found something nice at a good price very quickly"

When was this??


132 posted on 03/17/2005 6:55:29 PM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: John Lenin

The state probably will default. And when you think about how much we pay in taxes, this is a travesty.


133 posted on 03/17/2005 6:58:19 PM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: international american

134 posted on 03/17/2005 7:00:23 PM PST by John Lenin (What problem ?)
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To: timestax

135 posted on 03/17/2005 7:01:05 PM PST by timestax
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To: timestax

Where is that?


136 posted on 03/17/2005 7:02:27 PM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: international american

San Diego=Pacific Beach..


137 posted on 03/17/2005 7:04:30 PM PST by timestax
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To: missyme

You bought right before the first of the three big appreciation cycles. You won!


138 posted on 03/17/2005 7:05:05 PM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: timestax

139 posted on 03/17/2005 7:08:11 PM PST by timestax
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To: Tench_Coxe

"Great, ruin one city, then just move on to ruin another.

That is what the liberals in the US are up to, they want to ruin cities and move to the next with their stupid proposals for rent control, city and state taxes, personal property taxes, controlling what residences could do with their own land, and demanding demoncraptic control of the city and school boards. We need to rid the land of such creatures. They are very ugly.


140 posted on 03/17/2005 7:08:22 PM PST by Ethyl (T)
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