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But you are advocating a tyranny of the minority, where the rights and values of the majority are overruled by the whims and passions of any vocal minority

I like the addition of 'values'. Values in islamic societies include pesky things like not allowing christianity.

Now you would undoubtedly suggest that these values conflict with the rights of christians which is absolutely true. The problem is that typically FR folk think that when their values conflict with other peoples rights the values rule and when their rights conflict with other peoples values rights rule.

Not very different than the Democratic underground I imagine.

The problem is that typically FR folk think that when their values conflict with other peoples rights the values rule and when their rights conflict with other peoples values rights rule.

Not very different than the Democratic underground I imagine.

HUH? What language are you speaking? Circumlocutionese?

Values in islamic societies include pesky things like not allowing christianity.

Amoral Libertarians invoke Islam like Democrat socialists invoke Hitler (both wrongly applied). First, you are comparing apples and oranges because you are comparing a theocracy to a republican democracy. And as I said above, denying religious rights would be tyranny.

Second, you assume that it is even possible to be completely devoid of values and that that is freedom. Many would not call that freedom but slavery to the lowest urges of the least of us. So many who preach individual rights absent any moral standards do so with a "right of privacy" argument, yet their issues are almost never private. They involve the consciences, choices, values, and property (tax dollars) of others as well.

There is no mandated separation of morality (or values) and state. The gov't cannot keep anyone from competing in the marketplace of ideas -- from trying to persuade their fellow citizens of the rightness of their cause.

You advocate a reverse freedom where some are allowed to force the public to approve of their ideas and others are banned from participating in the persuasion process. This is freedom only for those with no moral standard. It is a tyranny of the minority.

"The problem is that typically FR folk think that when their values conflict with other peoples rights the values rule and when their rights conflict with other peoples values rights rule.

Not very different than the Democratic underground I imagine."

Well said. Brilliant.