Posted on 03/12/2005 9:32:16 PM PST by bamaborn
By Craig Whitlock Washington Post Foreign Service Sunday, March 13, 2005; Page A01
MILAN -- A radical Egyptian cleric known as Abu Omar was walking to a Milan mosque for noon prayers in February 2003 when he was grabbed on the sidewalk by two men, sprayed in the face with chemicals and stuffed into a van. He hasn't been seen since.
Milan investigators, however, now appear to be close to identifying his kidnappers. Last month, officials showed up at Aviano Air Base in northern Italy and demanded records of any American planes that had flown into or out of the joint U.S.-Italian military installation around the time of the abduction. They also asked for logs of vehicles that had entered the base.
Italian authorities suspect the Egyptian was the target of a CIA-sponsored operation known as rendition, in which terrorism suspects are forcibly taken for interrogation to countries where torture is practiced.
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Maybe the Italian government can team up with the ACLU and do their best to stiffle us in the war against Islamofascism?
Like I said, just leave the BVDs out of it and I'm ok with it.
GOOD.....................
I don't see a problem here.
Boo hoo for poor Abu. Now he's the radical Egyptian cleric known as: "I"LL TELL YOU ANYTHING YOU WANT TO KNOW!!!"
If we were abducting Gestapo leaders in WW2, would the Euros have reacted this way? They do know there is a war on, right?
Once again, the Europeans and the liberal news media doing their best to help the terrorists.
I suspect that the Europeans generally don't care if you go around kidnapping 3rd world nationals. What they are worried about...is if you start kidnapping Italians or Germans or French. We can all laugh at the thought...but if faced with a German citizen who is a hostile threat to the security of the US, and we have a chance to kidnap and interrogate him...would we do it? No one knows what the rules are in this game...only the CIA and Special Ops. And ask yourself this...if the Italian government showed up in Mexico, and started kidnapping Americans involved in Mafia operations that harmed Italy...and simply whisked those American citizens across the border to Mexico...would you just stand there and let them do it? Kidnappings always have a life of their own and you can't be sure of anything.
I suppose torturing someone because of a ticking time bomb is one scenario. But what about the potential of someone innocent getting tortured? Things move awfully fast out in the field.
yes as long as they know who they are gettingand for a real specific reason.
Don't be naive. Things are rough in places like Egypt and Israel. The Israelis have learned by long experience how to extract information from suspects, and they play for keeps. I've heard that sometimes, in really resistant cases, they use push-up bras from Victoria's Secret, placed right on the suspects' heads. This is extremely cruel and abusive, but it works. War is hell. (I hope the Washington Post doesn't hear about this or we'll have another scandal on our hands.)
The washington post is slowly headed down the drain and desperately seeks something to give it traction against the Bush administration. But nothing sticks.
I don't think most Americans care if terrorist are tortured. I sure don't.
i guess the real question is whether they are in fact terrorists.
the problem is you need to torture them first to find out. what happens after a lengthy torture session identifies that in fact they were innocent of being involved in terrorism?
not much i suspect!
But how do you know that only "terrorists" are being tortured? These people are often picked up on a tip...
I don't care.
I don't think the CIA would pick up strangers on the street. They know who they are looking for.
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