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Stop the separation of Scouts and school!
WND ^ | March 12, 2005 | Hans Zeiger

Posted on 03/12/2005 4:07:10 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Georgia Power CEO Michael Garrett, a former Boy Scout, spoke at a luncheon honoring Scouting supporters in the Augusta Towers Hotel last week. He noted that 60,000 Georgian students – four in 10 – who enter the ninth grade never graduate. By contrast, "95 percent of Scouts finish school. The things you are doing are important to this state."

But an emergency is in the offing. Under threat by the American Civil Liberties Union, the Boy Scouts of America is formulating plans to remove thousands of chartered troops from sponsorship by our nation's public schools. The important partnership that has existed for 95 years between the Boy Scouts and public schools apparently is being severed – by the Scouts themselves. It would be detrimental to America's communities. In a time when strength and honor are most needed, the Boy Scouts run the risk of appearing weak.

According to a recent BSA annual report, public schools are the third-largest type of group that sponsors Boy Scout, Cub Scout and Tiger Cub troops, numbering over 10,000 units of nearly 363,000 Boy Scouts. Though public school relationships with the Boy Scouts have been harmed by political correctness in recent years, especially in major cities, most local school districts have cherished the contributions that the Scouts make to their communities.

But last month, the ACLU – which has spent the past two decades at war on the Boy Scouts because they exclude homosexuals and atheists from membership and leadership and celebrate God, country and character – sent a letter to the Boy Scouts national headquarters threatening lawsuits against public schools that sponsor Scout troops. According to the ACLU, for a school to sponsor a Scout unit is a direct violation of the First Amendment separation of church and state.

And the Boy Scouts are yielding. The ACLU is just too big and nasty and vile, and the Boy Scouts don't have the time, money, public relations infrastructure or strategic ambition to fight its lawsuits.

"We obviously don't want that [expensive lawsuits against schools] to happen," national Boy Scouts spokesman Gregg Shields told the Baptist Press. "Instead, the Boy Scouts have tried to protect the resources of our education partners by moving our charter from public schools to other community-based organizations such as parent-teacher organizations or Salvation Army units or nearby religious organizations."

By withdrawing from public school charters, Boy Scout troops will not be protecting the resources of their education partners – far from it. Rather, the Boy Scouts will concede the validity of the ACLU's claims. Of course, the ACLU is wrong. Of course, there is no truth in their argument that the Scouts' presence in the public schools is a violation of our nation's Constitution. Not only does a school-chartered Scout troop fall well within the Constitution, it helps to preserve the Constitution.

For the Constitution rests on self-government. If ever a statement of self-government was written, it is the Scout Oath: "On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country, and to obey the Scout Law, to help other people at all times, to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight." It is the duty of the public schools to teach, to encourage and to frame its academic mission around that understanding of self-government.

In a day when public schools have fallen far short of their moral, spiritual and intellectual responsibilities, sponsorship of a Boy Scout troop is one critical, remaining link to self-government. As Paul W. Terry of the University of Alabama wrote in the School Review 70 years ago, "Being concerned with boys of school age and principally with out-of-school hours, and being devoted to objectives which are wholly educational and strikingly similar to those of the school but pursuing these with activities which differ in many respects from those of the school, the Boy Scout organization is now generally recognized by school men as a highly desirable if not an indispensable supplement to the training afforded boys in the schools." The same holds true, if not truer, today.

Of course, the ACLU is not concerned with truth. But Americans who care about the future of Scouting, of self-government and of constitutional government, must be concerned. We must take a stand for the Boy Scout Oath and Law before they are destroyed by the ACLU.

This newest challenge to the Scout Oath and Law is one of the harshest the Scouts have come against. And the Boy Scouts of America should hear from supporters around the country – with dollars and with feedback. First, the Scouts need money for their legal defense efforts and other programs. Second, the national Scouts need to know that it would be a crime against honor to give in to the ACLU – contact your local counsel through the Scouts' legal-issues website. Some 363,000 Boy Scouts would be affected if the BSA withdrew from public school charters.

This must be our clear and unabashed message to the ACLU: On my honor, get off my honor.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aclu; boyscouts; bsa

1 posted on 03/12/2005 4:07:11 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Scouting in Canada has been destroyed by allowing girls and homosexuals . They have many camps up for sale because they have had a 50% drop in scouts. The ACLU wont be happy until they put American Scouting in that same position.

Stop all funding of the ACLU. Stop our government from paying the ACLU to screw us.


2 posted on 03/12/2005 4:14:34 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The BSA launches a preemptive move against the ACLU?

The BSA uses reverse psychology against the ACLU?

Whichever/whatever, good for the BSA. The publicity created by this on a local level will be a very good thing. It really is all about the judges. As my tag line says,

"If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson

3 posted on 03/12/2005 4:37:55 AM PST by upchuck ("If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; ...
According to the ACLU, for a school to sponsor a Scout unit is a direct violation of the First Amendment separation of church and state.

Does the ACLU realize that the separation of church and states requires the eradication of the rights and liberties?

At the fundation of the things ACLU claims to defend is religious principle:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men and women are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights"

The rights and liberties are not based on chemistry or market. They are derived from the belief in God.

The states which were first to implement the radical separation of church and state (early Soviet Union and Cambodia under Pol Pot) did not respect the human beings to the degree of murdering them on the mass scale.

4 posted on 03/12/2005 5:29:02 AM PST by A. Pole (Hush Bimbo: "Low wage is good for you!")
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To: sgtbono2002; RonF; AppauledAtAppeasementConservat; Da Jerdge; Looking for Diogenes; ...
Scouting in Canada has been destroyed by allowing girls and homosexuals . They have many camps up for sale because they have had a 50% drop in scouts. The ACLU wont be happy until they put American Scouting in that same position.

But then the ACLU will take over the camps and show their true colors by setting up "Red Pioneer" Camps.

5 posted on 03/12/2005 6:12:32 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
last year the military, this year public schools, something has to be done, is it possible to privatize all schools?...rto
6 posted on 03/12/2005 6:16:03 AM PST by visitor (...and the dems wonder why they lost and will continue to lose, good riddance)
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To: SandRat
<<<>> I wish that you were wrong. Read the communist manifesto, it is all in there. There is no way that the Boy Scouts could be left to continue as they have for years. "God and Country" does not fit the communist plan.
7 posted on 03/12/2005 6:23:19 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I seem to recall that a few years back Congress enacted a rider to a bill that would cut back federal funding to districts that banned Scouting.


8 posted on 03/12/2005 6:34:02 AM PST by zook
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To: nw_arizona_granny
Best part Grans is that the commies thought that same thing behind the iron curtain. As it came down, the WOSM (World Organization Scouting Movement) got a surprise. WOSM found that Scouting had continued under-ground from the time that Uncle Adolf either banned them or had his armies march in. Advancement and training records flooded in to WOSM in London for the youth that reached the top. Saddam thought that by banning scouts they were no more as did the Taliban/AQ in Afghanistan. Well guess what? It's up and running again in Afghanistan for Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts. It's beginning to get back on its feet in Iraq.
9 posted on 03/12/2005 6:38:41 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

My son and I proudly wear our Iraqi Scouting patches on our uniform. BSA was trading them for a donation to the Iraqi Scouting movement.

ACLU needs to be stopped dead in their tracks. They are on the wrong side of America on every single issue.


10 posted on 03/12/2005 7:16:54 AM PST by cyclotic (Cub Scouts-Teach 'em young to be men, and politically incorrect in the process)
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To: cyclotic

John Wayne passed away in June 1979 from cancer. One of his last public appearances, and at this time all knew that the end was near, was at a dinner to benefit a land purchase for a Scout reservation called John Wayne Outpost Camp. At this dinner, the Duke recited the Scout Law. Then he did something unusual, he said “the twelve points of the Scout Law are “nice words.”” “Trouble is,” he continued, “we learn them so young we sometimes don’t get all the understanding that goes with them. I take care of that in my family. As each boy reaches Scout age, I make sure he learns the Scout Law. Then I break it down for him, with a few things I have picked up in more than half a century since I learned it.” Then the Duke proceeded to explain the importance of the Scout Law, breaking it down for the guests at the dinner, much like he would have for his grandson.

TRUSTWORTHY – The badge of honesty. Having it lets you look any man in the eye. Lacking it he won’t look back. Keep this one at the top of your list.

LOYAL – The very word is life itself, for without loyalty we have no love of person or country.

HELPFUL – Part sharing, part caring. By helping each other, we help ourselves, not to mention mankind. Be always full of help – the dying man’s last words.

FRIENDLY – Brotherhood is part of that word. You can take it in a lot of directions – and – do but make sure and start with brotherhood.

COURTEOUS – Allow each person his human dignity which means a lot more than saying “yes ma’am” and “thank you sir.” It reflects an attitude that later in life you wish you had honored more …. earlier in life. Save yourself that trouble. Do it now.

KIND – This one word would stop wars and erase hatreds. But its like your bicycle. Its just no good unless get out and use it.

OBEDIENT – Starts at home. Practice it in your family. Enlarge it in your friends. Share it with humanity.

CHEERFUL – Anyone can put on a happy face when the going is good. The secret is to wear it as a mask for your problems. It might surprise you how many others do the same thing.

THRIFTY – Means a lot more that putting pennies away, and is the opposite of cheap. Common sense covers it just about as well as anything.

BRAVE – You don’t have to fight to be brave. Millions of fine decent folks show more bravery than heavy-weight champs just by getting out of bed every morning, going out to do a good days work and living the best life they know how against the law of odds. Keep the word handy every day of your life.

CLEAN – Soap and water help a lot on the outside. But it is the inside that counts and don’t you ever forget it.

REVERANT – Believe in anything that you want to believe in but keep GOD at the top of it. With him, life can be a beautiful experience. Without him, you are just bidding time.

John Wayne then thanked those in attendance at the dinner for putting his name on the outpost camp and said, “I would rather see it here than on all the theater marquees the world over.”

11 posted on 03/12/2005 7:20:23 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: cyclotic

Would you happen to have any info on how we could purchase these patches?


12 posted on 03/12/2005 8:07:10 AM PST by wisconsinconservative ("Life Support".....It's what's for dinner!)
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To: wisconsinconservative

I think it was a nationwide endeavor. Contact your local Boy Scout Council and see if they can help you.


13 posted on 03/12/2005 8:32:07 AM PST by cyclotic (Cub Scouts-Teach 'em young to be men, and politically incorrect in the process)
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To: sgtbono2002

Does the same policy for the ACLU also apply for the Girl Scouts. Are they trying to get the Girl Scouts out of public schools also. It makes me thank God that when I was a Cubmaster and a Scoutleader my kids attended a private school where as Scouts we could pray whenever and however we felt.


14 posted on 03/12/2005 9:25:07 AM PST by tygershark
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I havent read much about what is going on in the Girl Scouts as pertains to homosexuals, I do know boys arent trying to join.It seems the ACLU is concentrating on the boyscouts because they wont allow homosexual leaders and they swear an oath for God and Country. Both God and Country seem to offend the ACLU even though they couldnt exist in most other countries.


15 posted on 03/12/2005 9:30:18 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: tygershark
No they've basically co-opted the Girl Scouts into the homosexual agenda. Without much of a fight, I might add.

That's why my girl is a BSA Venturer.

16 posted on 03/12/2005 12:25:22 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Note that the BSA is not being threatened with lawsuits here; the public schools are. This is not a case of the BSA folding, but of the BSA's recognition that the schools will.


17 posted on 03/12/2005 7:09:40 PM PST by RonF
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To: zook
I seem to recall that a few years back Congress enacted a rider to a bill that would cut back federal funding to districts that banned Scouting.

That is the Equal Access Act (of 2003, I think?). It forbids a school district from denying an organization access to the use of school facilities based on the membership policies of that organization.

However, that is not at issue here. Scout units are not be denied access to the schools. They are losing the right to be sponsored by the schools; sponsors are responsible for selecting the units' leaders and for ensuring that the unit meets both the sponsor's and the BSA's policies. But they can still meet there.

18 posted on 03/12/2005 7:17:44 PM PST by RonF
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