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Dear Trinity_Tx,

Hey, if you want to back down from your previous false assertions, don't let me stop you.

However, you still are having trouble getting it right:

"1. It isn't a generalization to say some are keeping the rest from winning as many hears and minds as they could for a mandate."

First, regarding a mandate. If you've been paying attention over the years, you're aware that:

1. The numbers of Americans holding increasingly pro-life positions is rising, especially among college-educated younger folks (I guess all the mean pro-lifers aren't having quite the expected effect);

2. Large majorities (typically 60% or more, depending on phrasing of the questions), when asked, "Would you restrict abortion to cases of life of the mother, rape, incest, and severe fetal deformity?" answer, "yes."

As these represent over 95% of all abortions, that means that the mandate exists RIGHT NOW to reduce abortions to a small trickle.

The mandate exists. You just missed it.

But, that isn't quite what you originally said, anyway.

As I said, if you want to back down from your previous assertions, don't let me stop you.

But I'll remind you of your inconsistencies.

You said:

"It is your 'strategy' of dogmatism and rudely offending everyone who you even think veers even slightly away from your position that hasn't even been able to get rid of partial birth abortion - which would be easy to outlaw if the fight against it weren't bogged down by the heavy-handed, 'no compromise' baggage."

And, you said:

"If pro-lifers worked to elect politicians who respected the constitution, rather than blowing them off because they didn't toe the whole moment of conception, no compromise line, that wouldn't be a problem."

Both of these statements have no contact points with reality.

They are both demonstrated as false, see previous posts.

But if you now want to back down to something more like this:

"Well, if pro-lifers were to make more nicey-nice, then perhaps a few more people might join our cause,"

then have at it. The change is noted and accepted, if not agreed-to.

While you're at it, why don't you apologize to all the millions of pro-lifers you've unfairly smeared who:

- work in pregnancy aid and crisis pregnancy centers;

- have devised all manner of clever compromises to at least mitigate the evils of abortion, including parental notification, waiting periods, PBA ban, informed consent, and others;

- have written and petitioned elected representatives to pass these COMPROMISES, and who have SUCCEEDED in many cases, frustrated only by the anti-democratic, fascists who comprise the majority of the current Supreme Court;

- support the pro-life resources nationally and in their local communities with fundraisers, publicity, and in-kind donations;

- work for politicians who are often badly-flawed from the pro-life perspective, but with whom we COMPROMISE to advance the goal of protecting all children, born and unborn, in law.

Then, perhaps you might give it a rest. ;-)


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[Trinity_Tx]

I'm not backing down from my position.

I'm
a) denying the position you want to impose upon me WRT generalizing and insulting them all. I have friends who are also pro-life, who work in our crisis pregnancy center, and I'm saying nothing more than they say themselves all the time.

b) disagreeing with your contention that there has been no serious problem with, or consequence of, turning off so many of those who would otherwise join the fight to ban the most egregious abortions.
Answering a poll is not the same as active support.

My point from the beginning has been that, if the pro-life movement had had more of those people actively supporting them, then there would have been a mandate long ago.

I will "back down" to the extent that I can't be positive those black-robed maggots would still be on the bench. But, you can't be any more positive they would, and I think it is misguided to blow that off and continue the behavior we see here.

You say the behavior we see here is an anomaly, and that it hasn't hindered change, and you apparently think sarcastically insulting me for saying otherwise is more worth your time than criticizing their behavior.

I think you are wrong, and in over-reacting and focusing your sarcastic and insulting ire on me, rather than those who give the cause a bad image, you just make things worse.

Anyway, we disagree. That doesn't mean we had to knock heads or should continue. Mine hurts now, lol so I'm going to go do something more productive and fun... like laundry! ; )