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Well, as I said earlier, I'm not going after pro-lifers. I am pro-life.

I'm going after those among us who are holding back progress in this fight by their absolutist, thus losing, strategies.

When I see this many people say that they will sit home simply because someone is "either pro-life or pro-murder," I see the same poor thinking among the pro-life activists here. They are reviled. You're right - where we live probably does affect our perception.

My only point is that it is a bad idea to
a) not do everything we can to stop a liberal from being elected, and
b) be so offensive and absolutist that we alienate grassroots supporters

I believe doing so has caused the agenda to be marginalized and less effective than it should be in ending things on which most Americans already side with us.

Someone thinks that means I'm so out of touch with reality that I deserve scorn. I believe that over-reaction just proves my point.

I believe doing so has caused the agenda to be marginalized and less effective than it should be in ending things on which most Americans already side with us.

I think you're right. We've already seen one person here say they are further pushed to the left on this issue simply because of the vitriolic language people use in debate.

No you don't deserve scorn. I must admit my heart burns with passion when I read a spirited defense of the unborn, but you are correct about the need for temperance. Such diatribes needn't occur at the expense of others in the pro-life community.

Condi, for me, is still a question mark, and I probably won't make up my mind for quite some time during which new stars may rise. Abortion is just one matter, albeit a big one.