Posted on 03/11/2005 6:32:41 PM PST by Sola Veritas
Try to understand this:
Some of us believe when a person says, "I am pro-choice," he is essentially saying, "I support the deliberate killing of innocent human babies."
It's a morality issue, and morality is absolute.
If you want to think that's "fantical," so be it. But I believe the Lord feels quite differently, and that's Who I'm concerned with.
Oop, should be "fanatical".
No straw man. Her husband was a physician himself, who was good friends with my OBGyn and many other young drs. This was almost 10 years ago. They treated her as best they could without harming the baby.
D Rum in da hoouuuuuuse!!!
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gads, this is where I slap myself. *LOL*
Matter of fact, I don't believe it's really a function of his office. I really believe that manny of these moral issues need resolved in the church first and then as the membership embraces them (not just in words but in actions) the culture will begin to change. Until the church really cleans up the morass in their own pews, the culture will not advance toward a more faithful and pro life stance. I agree, the change must be in hearts and minds, and not always legislated. Howerver, the President can be more favorable in admonishing people of faith to clean up their acts through the bully pulpit. But like to many ministers today, we don't want to insult the flock.
The common sense solution would be to make the morning after pill legal and over the counter no questions asked, no age restrictions, and all other forms of abortion absolutely illegal with extremely harsh penalties.
But the ultra religious just won't listen, they are too pig headed. It's a shame too, because it could be argued that they are the reason why babies are being killed.
Here's the facts, a very large percentage of fertilized eggs fail to implant...AND THIS IS MOTHER NATURE, not a pill causing it. If causing a fertilized egg to not implant was so horrible, then why would god make it happen so often? People need to get a grip on reality.
I see no reason why fertile women shouldn't be givin a 24 hour window to decide if they want a *POSSIBLY* *MABE* fertilized egg to implant or not. After that, it's a baby and you can't kill it or you will pay dearly for your crime.
Seems pretty straight forward and obvious to me.
I plan to tell my daughters and son that I could forgive a pregnancy. I would NEVER forgive the murder of my grandchild.
I'm not a guy. I agree with him.
How funny would it have been if he were in one of his "DOD pressers" we saw every day at the beginning of Opeartion Iraqi Freedom and he (in such the infamous Rumsfeld way)came out and said "Well, hmmmmph......ummm I guess, (and then turns to Gen. Myers and says) well, General Myers, wouldya think?? Me, I'd put as we pretty much laid the smack down on their Allah-worshipping, pajama wearing, everyone's a muhammed-naming, cave-hiding punk asses!!! That about right, General Myers??
General Myers: Yes sir, that would be affirmative, sir...
There is separation of church and state somewhere. I'm not sure where, but somewhere. And the church is not a political party in America. Citizens of America are proud to vote in elections even if they make the wrong choice. The pride stems from the voting itself. It is difficult enough to get to the polls from work, and amazing to think that religious people have the luxury to boycott voting.
*LOL*!!! You're a funny guy, D Rum. ;-)
I'm with you.
Over twenty five years ago, the pro-life movement made a decision, collectively, that two of the requirements for us to remain part of the Republican coalition was that 1) The Reagan pro-life platform remain intact, and 2) Both the presidential and the vice-presidential nominees of the party be pro-life.
National Right to Life's platform contains only one so-called 'exception': The life of the mother.
Even so, they, and most pro-life leaders have, grudgingly, accepted candidates like George W. Bush, who make a rape and incest exception that they consider to be philosophically silly and wrong, and, if implemented into law, a grave injustice.
Periodically, the tiny minority in the Party, the pro-choicers, make a run at the nomination and at the platform. Every time, they have been crushed completely and thoroughly, thank God.
Anyway, I don't know why anyone should be surprised if the pro-life movement, the heart and soul of the GOP, continues to stick to its guns. That's all that is going on here.
Another excellent post from you, Sir. : )
You cannot change hearts and minds with absolutism right off the bat. While I am as pro-life as anyone, I understand that I will not convince my pro-choice friends of my position and the reasons behind it if I condemn them as murderers everytime we speak of the issue. The 2 sides screaming at each other will not solve the problem of 40+ million unborn dead since 1973. The SC justices who rendered that decision will burn in Hell for Eternity, but that does not solve the problem right now that Roe is the law of the land and until we can change the fundamental thinking of this country, we cannot change the law.
As for Dr. Rice, when she states that she is "mildly pro-choice," I am willing to give her an open mind and not judge her until I hear how she explains her position. Is she pro-choice in terms of the president, whom I think does support abortion in cases of danger to the life of the mother, rape, or incest? Or is she pro-choice in supporting abortion on demand?
Thanks, Yo!!! OK, ok I have to stop, my kids are going to think I'm cool... :)
You can claim whatever you care to,but I'm telling the truth about what has been said on FR.
It is the Church's duty to take a stand against evil. No so-called gathering of Christians should "just ignore the murdered unborn children", as Keith Green put it. Pastors should denounce abortion from the pulpit. Keith Green said (sang) that unborn children are "handmade by Jesus". The death of each one is a horrible injustice and terrible tragedy. Christians and churches should stand against it. Who cares for politics? Who cares what is Republican, and what advances the conservative cause? We're talking about human lives. Nothing will compel me to support the carnage of abortion, or vote for anyone who does.
And let's bring God into the debate. He's been too forgotten. Try to think how He regards abortion, from all we can read and know from the Scripture. A frightening thought is that God is just, and I cannot imagine He has no recompense for those who kill the unborn.
I think Bob Dole was taken kicking and screaming to the pro life part of the platform. George Bush the I was ambivilant toward it. So being fervent pro life or choice doesn't seem to be the barometer of getting the nomimnation. In addition, it wasn't a pro-lifer who ciphened votes away from these candidates during losing elections. It was pro choice Ross Perot.
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