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To: annalex
I do not agree that the traditional source of ethics is religion, at least not in America. Nor do I agree that most American religious people derive their ethics from any single source.

I also say that various philosophical, social, and professional systems of ethics have always existed side by side with religious systems of ethics, except where religion outlawed such systems, and of course where such systems in effect outlawed religion. Equally, I do not agree that most Marxists derive their ethics from any perceived needs of the working class.

And finally, I say that "eclectic personal ethics" are not only the most common, but are almost unanimous source for ethics in America today, yesterday and all the way back to our countries founding.

259 posted on 04/01/2005 11:01:32 PM PST by jackbob
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To: jackbob
Regarding altruism, we've been able to agree that acts of genuine kindness exist and are praiseworthy. From that it follows that at least some ways of practicing altruism are also in existence and praiseworthy. altruism is nothing more than systematic kindness, is it not?

Regarding eclectic ethics, you are right that in America today many and maybe most would not consciously trace their morals to Christianity. But few behaviors contradicting the Christian ethics are viewed as ethical (much more are practiced as an ethical weakness, e.g. various transgressions from the Christian marital code of ethics). Historically, the cultural makeup of today's Americans has been shaped almost exclusively by Protestant ethics of the First and Second Spiritual Awakenings, that gave America its Revolution and its Civil War. If religion were not pushed from the public view by the secularist minority, we'd have more recognition of the Christian roots of common ethics.

Rand, however, is outside of the pale of Christian ethics, primarily because of the issue of kindness that we've been discussing. So I'd say that while an American who is unaware of Rand may be equally unaware of historical Christianity, his ethics are of Christian roots; and an American sympathetic to Rand's ethical teaching would have to reconcile the traditional ethics with Rand's and would come up with an eclectic system.

261 posted on 04/02/2005 8:40:36 AM PST by annalex
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