Spiff, thanks for posting this one. I've been busy today. Did you also manage to post the thread about the Governor telling the Mexican Delegation where they could shove their concerns about Mexican migrants?
Posted on 03/09/2005 1:15:10 PM PST by Spiff
ACLU plans to follow Minuteman Project
BY BILL HESS
Wednesday, March 9, 2005 11:31 AM MST
Sierra Vista Herald/Review
BISBEE, Arizona - The Minutemen are coming to Cochise County next month, and the American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona is, too.
At least two ACLU observers will tag along wherever Minuteman Project volunteers go, said, Ray Ybarra, an Ira Glasser Racial Justice Fellow, a title given him by the national ACLU headquarters.
Hopefully, he said, there will be no confrontation with "the vigilantes."
"If they go hiking through the desert, we'll be there with them. If they sit in lawn chairs, we'll sit in lawn chairs next to them," he said.
The object is to watch the volunteers' actions.
By following the volunteers, the ACLU of Arizona is putting those involved in the Minuteman Project on notice that the violation of the civil rights of "migrants" will not be accepted, Ybarra said.
Chris Simcox, co-organizer of the Minuteman Project and longtime advocate of helping patrol the border using citizens, said the ACLU is not a detriment to the proposed operations planned in April. He said ACLU members have patrolled with the Civil Homeland Defense, a Tombstone-based group he formed.
Simcox said the ACLU observers can walk along with the volunteers and sit with them.
The more presence there is, the bigger the message will be to illegal immigrants, Simcox said.
"It will create more of a deterrent," he said.
On previous operations, ACLU members could not find that anything wrong had been done, he added.
Ybarra, a native of Arizona who was born in Douglas and now works out of that community as part of the fellowship program, said groups who come into the county with the intention of enforcing federal immigration laws at the minimum have to be monitored.
Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever has been remiss in stopping the assault on illegal immigrants, Ybarra said Tuesday.
"The activities of the current vigilantes and those new volunteers constitutes unlawful imprisonment, but unfortunately the Cochise County sheriff attended a meeting of the Minuteman Project as a sign of support.
"To this date, he (Dever) has yet to arrest any private citizens for unlawfully detaining or abusing migrants despite a vast amount of evidence hat these incidents have occurred," he said.
Ybarra sent Dever a letter Monday calling on the sheriff to do his duty as the county's top law enforcement officer. Ybarra's letter urged the sheriff to uphold Arizona laws. He said the Minuteman Project has the potential to violate a number of state statutes, including false imprisonment and unauthorized detention.
Dever said Ybarra's idea that he is not upholding the law is based on innuendo and false assumptions.
The sheriff reiterated that every complaint about illegal immigrants being denied any of their rights and allegations of being assaulted or harmed in any way are investigated and reports submitted to the Cochise County attorney and the federal government for decisions if charges are to be made.
As for Ybarra's assertion that he met with those putting on the monthlong border campaign and patted them on the back, Dever said nothing is further from the truth.
The sheriff met with Jim Gilchrist, a co-organizer of the Minuteman Project, and other volunteers in Tombstone in January. Dever said that meeting was to inform Gilchrist of Arizona's laws and the sheriff's view of the laws.
Dever said no criminal activities will be condoned by anyone, those involved in the Minuteman Project, groups or individuals supporting them or organizations and individuals against them. The application of the law will "be swift," he said.
"I'm not going to let anything get out of hand," he said.
There are reports a violent gang called MS-13, made up of criminals with ties to Central American nations, may attempt to disrupt the Minuteman Project, the sheriff said. Although intelligence on MS-13's intentions are not clear, other reports also include the potential that pro and counter groups may show up, Dever said.
"It's a powder keg just waiting for someone to light the fuse," the sheriff said.
By having additional people along the border, such as the proposed legal observers of the ACLU of Arizona, the situation could deteriorate, the sheriff said.
According to a Feb. 28 update on the Minuteman Project Web site, 863 people from all 50 states, including two from Canada, have signed up to come to Cochise County.
Many people who want the border closed say the United States is being invaded by illegal immigrants to the detriment of the nation's economic well being and security.
"The migration by our southern neighbors is not an invasion," Ybarra counted.
He said immigration has always been part of U.S. history, and immigrants make the nation stronger.
ACLU of Arizona will be training individuals as legal observers with workshops in Douglas, Tucson and Phoenix. Ybarra said people in northern California have expressed interest in assisting ACLU of Arizona with its planned project.
"Legal observers will be following these private citizens as they attempt to illegally enforce federal immigration laws," he said.
The observers will report any violations to lawyers, who will be available to file actions against the Minuteman Project people, Ybarra said.
To Ybarra, the Minuteman Project volunteers are dangerous.
"The vigilantes are symbolic of the fear and misunderstanding that exists in our society," he said.
HERALD/REVIEW senior reporter Bill Hess can be reached at 515-4615 or by e-mail at bill.hess@svherald.com.
You didn't mention the Cochise County Sheriff's office, angry local residents, the high-tech American Border Patrol, and the boys from Civil Homeland Defense. You also forgot to throw in the super violent MS-13 gang as well as the murderous drug cartels.
Perfect storm is right. Secure the border and it all goes away. (See U.S. Constitution, Article IV, Section 4)
The Minutemen sure are getting a lotta folks' attention.
ACLU always was a vigilante organization. They have arrogated to themselves the right to harass and intimidate those who may not have been clear on very fine nuances of the law, but believed that they understood the broad meaning of that law. The ACLU has argued that black is white, so often, that the original definitions are blurred beyond satisfactory resolution, and the letter of the law they claim to stand for has become whatever they can convince a judge of their choosing to declare it to be.
In short, ACLU has become the very worst representation of what barristry stands for, the use of the legal system not to represent the search for truth, but to deny any degree of impartial justice to the opposite party.
Too bad the majority of America doesn't agree with you, Senor Ybarra.
Spiff, thanks for posting this one. I've been busy today. Did you also manage to post the thread about the Governor telling the Mexican Delegation where they could shove their concerns about Mexican migrants?
It warms my heart to hear stories like this :)
The Dumba$$e$ get what they deserve. LOL
Here's a link to the story in the AZ Repulsive online print edition:
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0308delegation08.html
This story does not have Governor Napolitano's comments in it. I'll transcribe them from home if we can't find them online...
"If they go hiking through the desert, we'll be there with them. If they sit in lawn chairs, we'll sit in lawn chairs next to them," he said.
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They gotta ask real nice for an reserve food and beverages though... ;)
Simcox said the ACLU observers can walk along with the volunteers and sit with them.
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When they break out the 'peace' pipes and the 'home rolled' 'tobacky' - that's when they gotta go! lol
Many people who want the border closed say the United States is being invaded by illegal immigrants to the detriment of the nation's economic well being and security.
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What about the Mujahideen???!!!
BTTT!
TFTP!
I wonder how much drug money will be lost to this scrutiny?
Is the ACLU sure they want to be out in the desert when the shiite hits the fan?
(hint for the Minutemen: remember that when hunting grizzlies with a camera, you should always be certain you have at least one in the party who runs slower than you. My bet is each and every one of these ACLU lawyers are city-slickers and have never been further out in the wild than their illegal-alien-manicured back yards - so maybe it's not such a bad idea to have a few along with you?)
Just who will be "monitoring" the activities of the ACLU? Maybe some volunteers should follow alongside with the ACLU vigilantes with digital cameras and other methods of "monitoring" and record their activies to ensure that there is an accurate record, not that the ACLU would ever lie!
It's be a darn shame if they got "lost" in that big, old desert area.
The Minutemen are not "vigilantes" they are just undocumented Border Patrol agents.
The ACLU can "follow" all they want, but when the MS-13 gangsters come around, they better have their own guns, cause the Minutemen will be too busy defending themselves to defend the ACLU types.
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