[Sunsong]

I guess I am not surprised that you don't own up to your lecturing here. It's clear that's what you are doing here.

The truth is I am not invested in whether things "work out" between Canada and America so you are wasting your time giving me advice on how "we" can please "you".

What is true is that Canada has betrayed us twice now since 9/11 and that matters to me. Martin told President Bush that he was onboard for MD. Lying is not ok. And betraying us is not ok.

But as I say, you reflect what many here see as Canadian arrogance - coming here to lecture us about how we feel...and yes, how we "feel" matters.

[beaver fever]

Betrayed twice? What only twice?

1) JTF 2 in Tora Bora.

2) Extra Canadian troops stationed in Afghanistan during the first year of the Iraq to allow US troops to be shipped to Iraq.

3) ALL foreign flights diverted to Gander during 911 because US airspace was closed.

4) All foreign missions of Canadian fighter aircraft (F114a's) canceled so that those aircraft could be put on alert at the US Canada border.

5) DEW line radar data made available to all US force commanders outside of NORAD command.

This is a short list of the ways that Canada has 'betrayed' the US before and during this conflict.

I'm not lecturing. I'm just stating the facts. These facts come up again and again on these threads and a number of posters have have the good graces to acknowledge that Canada is a strong ally of the US and always has been.

Unfortunately there is a minority of Canada bashers who hijack these threads in order to vent their spleen and the facts get buried every time the topic is bumped and the usual suspects start bashing all over again.

Like I said in my first post on this thread, it's tiresome and counter productive.

Canada and the US are joined at the navel. That is the simple truth.