Posted on 03/04/2005 2:14:06 PM PST by Selkie
By WAYNE PARRY The Associated Press
JERSEY CITY, N.J. - The upstairs neighbor of an Egyptian Christian family found slain in their home in January was charged Friday, along with another man, in the murders.
Edward McDonald, 25, who rented a second-floor apartment above Hossam Armanious and his family, pleaded not guilty to four counts of felony murder. Hamilton Sanchez, 30, faces the same charges and also pleaded not guilty.
Sanchez during a court hearing began crying as he stood before a judge, his hands cuffed behind his back.
"I didn't kill nobody. I didn't kill nobody, man. I didn't kill nobody, people," Sanchez said, as he was led from the courtroom. McDonald stared at the floor during the hearing.
Both men, who were on parole for different drug offenses, were ordered held on $10 million cash bail.
Authorities said Armanious, 47; his wife, Amal Garas, 37, and their children - Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8 - were slain three days before their bodies were found Jan. 14.
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Absolutely!
"Sounds pretty definite to me."
It is ... the capital We refers to god's decisions and his actions.
reminicent of Soddam and Gamorah ...
Got any at all ?
You're here to spin.
The OKC bombing has also been publicly lamented as a nation -- there is a memorial there, many, many many public outcries and regrets. The nation held at least two of the perps to account -- death to one so far.
The shooting of JFK -- who did it? Oswald is dead. Ruby died in jail. Justice. Regardless -- the public lament and national instutional and individual efforts to keep such from ever happening again have been massive.
The crappy sitcoms -- that's a judgement call, And station owners only play what people watch -- stop watchiing them -- they will no longer be shown. Even in that there are many, many public laments overshow quality -- filled millions of line-inch of TV Review sections in papers and magazines.
There -- we've had all the public apologies for negative acts as you've mentioned -- and then some. Community lamnet, regret and justice too.
"It wouldn't make any difference.
You're here to spin."
No spin - I just looked at what it actually says, instead of just cutting and pasting someone elses propaganda.
What you are doing is the same as what the fanatical imans are doing, taking lines and interpreting them as they choose - the only difference is that they spew it out to mostly uneducated people who are under their control.
"Strange request, do you always demand apologies from people that are not guilty ? "
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Strange indeed. The islamic world is constantly excusing the barbarism of its extremists by listing collective guilt by the USA for all sorts of crimes, which, if true, would be grevious indeed. If the Coptic Community is expected to apologize to the entire JC Muslim Community for assuming that those who threatened to kill this family in the manner they coincidentally ended up getting killed in, were in fact muslims; why not ask for the same from the Muslim community?
Wouldn't be nice to finally hear an apology from the islamic community for the horrendous crimes of their fellow muslims? Even just 9/11 for example. Just 19 hijackers, right? But how many more helped with the logistics and the financing? Or were aware of the plans and did nothing? How many wives, friends, brothers, sons, associates, who could have saved lives by just picking up the phone, calling the police, the FBI and saying, "I must do something to stop this, I can't let all these people die", but instead did nothing, and by their inaction are guilty?
No, maybe not the islamic community as a whole is guilty of these crimes. But every single person in the islamic community who knew it was going to go down, or suspected and did nothing is guilty. And every one in that community who kept silent after the fact, who danced in the streets, who made clucking noises about US foreign policy, who blamed Israel, who equated the deaths of the innocent to the deaths of paletinian terrorists, or added a "But.." after some fake vague noise of sympathy, is guilty of some measure of collaboration and support for these bottom feeders.
Damn, there goes my lunch hour!!
I noticed you did NOT accuse the community of being RESPONSIBLE for any of these.
I don't consider red-necked killers part of my community, nor Mafia Dons, nor Enron executives - I do not feel responsible for, nor do I feel any need to issue anyone an appology for what they have done.
I don't feel "the community" needs to take any responsibility for the actions of indiviuals or groups within it.
"The islamic world is constantly excusing the barbarism of its extremists ...."
No, those supporting the terrorists are, and they get the publicity -
"Wouldn't be nice to finally hear an apology from the islamic community for the horrendous crimes of their fellow muslims?"
Again, you are wishing for an apology - Here's a clue, you will NOT get one from Bin Laden and those of his fanatical leanings, and the average islamic has done nothing wrong and dosen't owe you one.
The average islamic does not consider the fanatics their "fellows" just as the average Catholic does not consider pedophilic priests as one of their own.
What Muslim nation, what muslim community, has done anything similar?
Not just the Muslim Pope, now you are the Roman Catholic Pope too? Are you also the Archbishop of Canterbury?
All of us, I believe, would agree that the slaughter of this family was horrifying. We all want to feel safe and secure in our own homes. In addition, the thought of children being brutally murdered is never something our psyche can comprehend. This case is the epitome of evil.
One thing that bothered me is how some here on FR constantly trashed the police and the investigators on this case. I know this is an area I am sensitive to since at one time that was my profession, but it seemed to be quite odious in nature. I chose not to comment on the slander and degradation of these officers because I'm not familiar with the New Jersey Police Department and maybe they do have complete incompetence in their department.
My opinion, which I did post several times regarding this case,is that in an on going investigation, especially a murder, MANY facts and details about the case are NOT released to the press or the public. Also, the MSM gets less than half of their "facts" correct. RS made the point that anyone can post something on the web and before you know it, it's a "fact" whether there is evidence to support it or not! The same is true with statements made to the press or to the police.
We need to be careful to not jump to conclusions before we have the facts. Many of us are angry, and we have good reason to be. We have valid reasons to have the suspicion's we have. But we do need to be careful how we direct our anger and frustration. We don't want to become like the enemy we are trying to defeat. Venting may make us feel better, but what we need is a plan. A plan that CAN be put into action and that will produce solutions that will produce a safer Country for our children and for future generations as well.
As for the brutal murder of the Armanious family, from the beginning my gut instinct was this was not a robbery. The brutal murders were just too personal. I still feel that way and realize we still don't have all the facts. The bottom line is this was an evil act and unfortunately there are many evil people in the world capable of committing these horrendous crimes.
Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice." Ephesians 4:31
And you will be one of the very few who will admit it. That is an admirable trait.
"The average islamic does not consider the fanatics their "fellows" just as the average Catholic does not consider pedophilic priests as one of their own."
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No, I'm really sorry, but the analogy falls short. Poll after poll after poll has shown sizable support for Bin Laden and Al Quaeda, Hebollah, Al Asqa Brigades, etc. among the general muslim population in not only islamic countries, but in many European countries with sizable Muslim populations. Not only that, but a majority of muslims believe absurd lies surrounding islamic atrocities, such as the "jew call"; that the Mossad really flew the 9/11 planes; that the US is waging a Holy War against islam.
I would love to see the majority of the islamic population denounce such brutalites as Beslan, Madrid, 9/11, the horrific videotaped beheadings (by the way, these are best sellers in some islamic countries).
But I am not holding my breath waiting.
Please add the two murdered children at Mena, Ark.
"(not yours by the way) "
That's correct... MY community does not attempt to blame innocent members of any race, creed or nationality for the actions of others of the same race, creed or nationality.
I actually take some pride in NOT being a member of YOUR community.
Exactly -
"Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice." Ephesians 4:31"
[49:6] O you who believe, if a wicked person brings any news to you, you shall first investigate,
lest you commit injustice towards some people, out of ignorance, then become sorry and remorseful for what you have done.
"Not just the Muslim Pope, now you are the Roman Catholic Pope too? Are you also the Archbishop of Canterbury?"
LOL - actually I'm the latest reincarnation of Budda
While we might want to believe the Islamaniacs did this it looks doubtful and this arrest confirms that doubt. Such an angle is not surprising though disappointing.
You can get killed for wearing the wrong color hat.
No. It is the LOVE of money that is the root of all evil.
Money itself is just a tool.
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