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Parents: 4th-Grade Girl To Become Boy
WCVB-Boston ^ | 3/4/2005 | Associated Press

Posted on 03/04/2005 7:35:11 AM PST by cwiz24

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To: cwiz24
"This poor kid. These parents should be shot"

The whole family should be shot for a crime against nature.

401 posted on 03/05/2005 9:44:16 PM PST by BobS
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To: punster
Furthermore, a study was done on the ratio between the length of the right forefinger to the right ring finger of lesbians.

And debunked here.

402 posted on 03/05/2005 9:49:02 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Terabitten; Miss Marple
why in the heck didn't they switch the kid to a different school?

Well, that pretty much proves the parents lack good judgment right there. I hope they're not trying to force "enlightenment" on the other chidren and use their troubled child as an example for teaching "diversity and acceptance," though somehow it wouldn't surprise me.

403 posted on 03/05/2005 9:49:24 PM PST by stands2reason (Mark Steyn on GWB: "This is a president who wants to leave his mark on more than a cocktail dress.")
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To: GraniteStateConservative; AaronInCarolina

I saw a documentary about the real little boy that that episode was based on. The young man ended up committing suicide.


404 posted on 03/05/2005 10:05:09 PM PST by stands2reason (Mark Steyn on GWB: "This is a president who wants to leave his mark on more than a cocktail dress.")
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To: mafree
As a female who flunked parallel parking (got the license anyway)

You too? LOL

405 posted on 03/05/2005 10:08:44 PM PST by stands2reason (Mark Steyn on GWB: "This is a president who wants to leave his mark on more than a cocktail dress.")
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Are you saying, then, that this girl's problem can be surgically corrected?

This might be naive, but I often wondered: Assuming, for example, that she had been overexposed to androgens in utero, might an injection (or whatever treatment) of estrogen help "feminize" the brain? That and maybe some kind of cognitive/behavioral therapy?


406 posted on 03/05/2005 10:29:10 PM PST by MoochPooch (A righteous person worries about his or her behavior, an extremist about everyone else's.)
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To: MoochPooch
Are you saying, then, that this girl's problem can be surgically corrected?

Maybe if it were done at the right age, given the intesex disorder.

Read this in its entirety, Syndromes of Abnormal Sex Differentiation, and you tell me? The article doesn't account or expand on any of the reasons so you are welcome to your conjecture.

407 posted on 03/05/2005 11:32:53 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Admin Moderator; EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; ...
In reply #377 xm177e2 wrote:
To put it nicely: that speculation has no support from the article. The way the boy's behavior is described, he has for years insisted to his parents that he's a boy. That has nothing to do with being a tomboy or being afraid of his vagina.

"he" has for years insisted to "his" parents that "he's" a boy????????

The way the "boy's" behavior behavior is described????

Afraid of "HIS" vagina??????!!!!????

408 posted on 03/06/2005 1:29:20 AM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (''Go though life with a Bible in one hand and a Newspaper in the other" -- Billy Graham)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Let's look at a model statistical problem.

There are two production automated lathes next to one another. The product is monitored for length.

Both machines have been characterized as having a size distribution with a standard deviation of 0.1 for individual parts.

Current measurements indicate the sample mean for lathe A is 1.00.

Current measurements indicate the sample mean for lathe B is 0.95.

Now, the question is is the true mean for lathe B different than the mean for lathe A?

If we take a single piece from each macine and compare the length, we cannot tell if there is a difference in the two machines.

Now, if we take a large sample from each machine, we can discover if there is actually a difference.

For example, let's use a sample size of 10 for each machine.

Sigma(mean) = sigma(indiviual part) divided by the square root of (n-1)

Therefore, the standard deviation of the mean is 0.033

Three sigma (the most common test for the difference between two means is 0.1. So, the diffeence between the two means is lost in the statistical noise.

Now, lets increase the sample size to 101.

Applying the same calculation, we find the standard deviation of the mean is 0.01.

Now, the difference between the means is 5 sigma(mean). The test indicates there is a difference between the two means.

Now, that we have used this example, we can understand the principles underlying the study on finger length ratios. If you want to test for a significant difference between the mean finger length ratio for the two groups, use a bigger sample.

It does not matter that the individual distributions overlap, a sufficiently large sample size will allow for testing for a difference between the mean values.


409 posted on 03/06/2005 5:57:42 AM PST by punster
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To: punster
Good point! Logic demands that faith be tempered with pragmatism, will the practice of a belief truly benefit people. Furthermore, science demands that we test all hypotheses, to validate them.

Einstein said, "Science without faith is lame, but religion without science is blind."

The problem a lot of organized religion has, is they foster dogmatic thinking and leave no room for reasoning. Reasoning is an important tool for gaining a greater understanding of the universe and God.

That is exactly what I am talking about.

410 posted on 03/06/2005 7:41:32 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: scott7278
I agree with you that conservatism is more logical than emotional -- but it seems that your assumption is that we can't have a valid opinion unless it coincides with yours, simply because you've "discovered something" scientifically (you've been "enlightened").

Do not put words in my mouth.

In post 81 I stated: the child is not going on hormones or anything like that.

I think a 'wait and see' approach would be best.

Of course you would prefer a "kneejerk" reaction, using religion to justify your "kneejerk" reaction.

411 posted on 03/06/2005 8:48:53 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Polybius

I have a good friend whose 11 year old girl wears only boys' pants for the very same reason. All the girls' pants don't come up to the belly button and are bell bottomed, and too tight.

The 11 year old is still a little girl, not a future slut, and does not have "brain masculinization".


412 posted on 03/06/2005 8:49:54 AM PST by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: little jeremiah
I have a good friend whose 11 year old girl wears only boys' pants for the very same reason. All the girls' pants don't come up to the belly button and are bell bottomed, and too tight.

Yep. As a father and a breadwinner, I have discovered that keeping your daughter "in clothes" nowadays is no longer merely a matter of money. ;-)

413 posted on 03/06/2005 8:59:16 AM PST by Polybius
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To: Polyxene
How do they know what is in her brain

Maybe s/he scored higher on the math/science than the reading comprehension portion of the standardized tests.

Or maybe s/he was able to arrange furniture properly the first time.

Or maybe s/he never got 'lost' and if momentarily misoriented refused to ask for direction.

Or maybe s/he had problems distinguishing any colors beyond primary and secondary.

414 posted on 03/06/2005 9:08:15 AM PST by Eagle Eye (BTDT got the T shirt, shot glass, coffee mug, ball cap, shoulder patch, key chain, challenge coin...)
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To: GraniteStateConservative; AaronInCarolina
There's a Chicago Hope ep about a boy raised as a girl, based on a true story about a boy from Winnipeg, Canada.

The writers from Chicago Hope are full of BS, they didn't even know the effects of hormones on the body.

On of the side characters they used was a post-operation transsexual. Then they used a completely impossible medical situation to justify having said character commit suicide.

First of all, female hormone with not reverse facial hair, electrolysis on the facial is needed to do this. After electrolysis, facial hair is permanently gone.

Second, the character had already had sex-change, which among other things is the removal of the testes, which mean no more production of testosterone (except for the very small amount produced in the adrenalin glands) in the body.

Now in the show, what let to the person's suicide was three impossible things happening.

1. The hormones she was taking stopped working, now hormones may not work for people at the beginning, but if they work to start with, they will continue working.

2. Because of number 1, her body started producing testosterone, which is impossible because she had already had her testes removed.

3. Because of 1 and 2, she started having facial hair develope. Which is impossible because female hormones have no effect on facial hair. Only electrolysis does. And after electrolysis, facial hair is permanently gone.

It not that Chicago Hope had someone commit suicide that bothered me, it is the total ignorance of medical knowledge in how they did it that pisses me off.

415 posted on 03/06/2005 9:13:19 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

I can't believe comment #377 is still up.

"Afraid of his vagina".... What kind of bogus crapola homo talking point is that?


416 posted on 03/06/2005 12:55:09 PM PST by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: little jeremiah
Read #415, That appalling absurd nonsense is just as bad, The perverts and their enablers/cheerleaders deny reality altogether. No amount of desire, fantasy, biological experimentation, or barbaric physical/psychological/chemical manipulation/mutilation will change a girl into a boy or vise versa. It's disconcertingly disappointing to see this type of perversion allowed on the forum.
417 posted on 03/06/2005 1:25:19 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (''Go though life with a Bible in one hand and a Newspaper in the other" -- Billy Graham)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K
Read #415, That appalling absurd nonsense is just as bad, The perverts and their enablers/cheerleaders deny reality altogether. No amount of desire, fantasy, biological experimentation, or barbaric physical/psychological/chemical manipulation/mutilation will change a girl into a boy or vise versa. It's disconcertingly disappointing to see this type of perversion allowed on the forum.

If you got a problem with what I stated, direct your comments to me, if not, then be quiet about what I say.

418 posted on 03/06/2005 4:26:32 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Paul C. Jesup
direct your comments to me

Hows this. DO NOT POST ANOTHER MESSAGE TO ME EVER AGAIN!

419 posted on 03/06/2005 7:33:33 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (''Go though life with a Bible in one hand and a Newspaper in the other" -- Billy Graham)
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To: camle
What is going to happen when puberty kicks in and age 9 it isn't that far off for girls in this day and age?
This poor kid really will gender confused and the parents will be contributing to this kid being in therapy for the rest of her life.
What is next a sex change for the kid?
420 posted on 03/06/2005 7:36:53 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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