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Judge releases DCF document in Schiavo case
Tampa Bay's 10 News ^ | 3/3/2005 | Tampa Bay's 10 News

Posted on 03/03/2005 9:24:10 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida

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To: ContraryMary

Really?
Bill No. HB 2131

Amendment No. 01 (for drafter's use only)

The Committee on Judiciary offered the following:

12

13 Amendment (with title amendment)

14 Remove from the bill: Everything after the enacting clause

15

16 and insert in lieu thereof:

17 Section 1. End-of-life care.--

18 (1)(a) The Legislature finds that Florida, as the

19 fourth most populous state, is highly diverse with regard to

20 race, ethnicity, urban and rural locales, religious practices,

21 and cultural traditions. Florida has the largest percentage of

22 elderly residents, the third largest incidence of AIDS, and

23 the fourth highest death rates from heart disease and chronic

24 obstructive pulmonary disease in the nation.


221 posted on 03/04/2005 1:24:58 PM PST by Darksheare (If you were in my heart I'd surely not break you. If you were beside me and my love would take you.)
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To: ContraryMary

You can lie to yourself all you want, don't lie to me.

http://www.flsenate.gov/cgi-bin/view_page.pl?Tab=session&Submenu=1&FT=D&File=sb2228.html&Directory=session/1999/Senate/bills/billtext/html/


S 2228 Page 16 and 17, posted 8/28/2000
14 (9) "Life-prolonging procedure" means any medical

15 procedure, treatment, or intervention, including artificially

16 provided sustenance and hydration, which sustains, restores,

17 or supplants a spontaneous vital function.

snip

4 (11) "Persistent vegetative state" means a permanent

5 and irreversible condition of unconsciousness in which there

6 is:

7 (a) The absence of voluntary action or cognitive

8 behavior of any kind.

9 (b) An inability to communicate or interact

10 purposefully with the environment.




" or supplants a spontaneous vital function."

Funny, a PACEMAKER would fit that definition.


222 posted on 03/04/2005 1:26:08 PM PST by Darksheare (If you were in my heart I'd surely not break you. If you were beside me and my love would take you.)
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To: ContraryMary

What is your definition of euthanasia?


223 posted on 03/04/2005 1:30:14 PM PST by freepertoo
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To: o_zarkman44
So much for living wills being valid

There is nothing remotely resembling a living will.

if the state wants to interfere with private matters.

According to your 'logic', the state would have no compelling interest in investigating spousal abuse, either, because that is a private matter.

224 posted on 03/04/2005 1:31:00 PM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: ContraryMary
This is not by any stretch about euthanasia -- much as many here would like it to be.

Abortion started the same way. We were told it was about incest. Rape. The life of the mother. Women dying having "back alley" abortions. We were told it would NEVER be a form of birth control. Really? Now it's about "choice". "You DON'T have to "suffer" an unwanted pregnancy". And it's still murder dressed in fancy clothes.

This is about euthanasia. And it started in Florida where there are LOTS of seniors. And it's a pig in a fancy gown.

225 posted on 03/04/2005 1:36:10 PM PST by DJ MacWoW ("Are you cops? FBI" bad guy, "I'm currently unemployed" Tony Almeida of 24)
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To: ContraryMary

If they can equate a feeding tube with a ventilator, what else will they equate with it?
A colostomy bag?
A pacemaker?
Prosthetic appendages?
A wheelchair?
They claim this is about 'suffering', but where will it end?
Someone somewhere will see any of the above mentioned items as being a sign of the user 'suffering'.
This is a slippery slope, and rolling over and letting this issue drop isn't an option.

Last time some group decided to show 'compassion' by 'mercy killings' it ended with millions dead and a global war that didn't really end until two cities had atomic bombs dropped on them.

This most definitely IS about euthanasia.


227 posted on 03/04/2005 1:38:43 PM PST by Darksheare (If you were in my heart I'd surely not break you. If you were beside me and my love would take you.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Does anybody have any news on what Greer has ruled regarding the DCF's request for a 60 day stay? I thought the news would be out by now, but can find nothing on the wen about it. Please, freepers, if you know anything new as of 1:40pm Pacific time (Friday, March 4), PLEASE POST!!!
228 posted on 03/04/2005 1:41:49 PM PST by utahagen
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To: pc93

It sounds from the early reports that the state agency documents paint Michael R. Schiavo in the role of villain. If so, why did his friend George W. "Haman" Greer release them? Something is not making sense. Hopefully, Greer's law of unintended consequences will yet extend to him the rope that hanged the original Haman.


229 posted on 03/04/2005 1:45:01 PM PST by Theodore R. (Terri has already outlived Eleanor Centzone.)
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To: utahagen

No one has heard anything yet. A hearing started at 3pm. We're all anxious for news.


230 posted on 03/04/2005 2:00:13 PM PST by DJ MacWoW ("Are you cops? FBI" bad guy, "I'm currently unemployed" Tony Almeida of 24)
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To: DJ MacWoW

This waiting is excruciating -- how do Terri's poor parents stand it?!


231 posted on 03/04/2005 2:14:52 PM PST by utahagen
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To: utahagen
DCF Petition will be heard next Wednesday. Felos says "nothing new." Felos thinks the legislature is usurping again. 970 wfla radio

Also, ten motions by the Schindlers will be heard this coming MONDAY.

232 posted on 03/04/2005 2:15:05 PM PST by DJ MacWoW ("Are you cops? FBI" bad guy, "I'm currently unemployed" Tony Almeida of 24)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Do I understand correctly: there will be no news today on the motion for a 60 day stay?


233 posted on 03/04/2005 2:16:17 PM PST by utahagen
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To: utahagen
This waiting is excruciating -- how do Terri's poor parents stand it?!

They are truly held in the arms of God. There's no other explanation.

234 posted on 03/04/2005 2:16:44 PM PST by DJ MacWoW ("Are you cops? FBI" bad guy, "I'm currently unemployed" Tony Almeida of 24)
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To: utahagen
Do I understand correctly: there will be no news today on the motion for a 60 day stay?

Apparently but there is some news.

PRESS RELEASE

17 EXPERTS IN MEDICAL FIELD FILE AFFIDAVITS URGING THAT TERRI BE EVALUATED

March 5, 2005

http://www.terrisfight.org/press/030405medaff.html

Attorneys for Bob and Mary Schindler have filed 17 affidavits in support of their motion asking Judge Greer to let medical evaluations be performed on Terri in light of recent advances in medical technologies. The affidavits are from various experts in the medical field. They are urging that Terri be evaluated based on the fact that new evaluation and therapeutic technologies can significantly impact brain damaged and disabled persons. Many of them have stated that there is strong likelihood that Terri is in a minimally conscious state.

More affidavits are expected to be filed next week in support of the Schindler's motion.

235 posted on 03/04/2005 2:19:49 PM PST by DJ MacWoW ("Are you cops? FBI" bad guy, "I'm currently unemployed" Tony Almeida of 24)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Thx for the reply. I'll keep praying.
236 posted on 03/04/2005 2:21:49 PM PST by utahagen
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To: o_zarkman44

I ended up divorcing her and getting custody of my 3 young sons who were 4, 6, 8.

YOU divorced her is just what we want Michael to do to Terri...You did not have the courts sanction her murder...A bit different and I am very sorry about your wife but you did the best and most humane thing for your wife, children and you...We just want Terri to have the same chance that you gave your wife


237 posted on 03/04/2005 2:26:54 PM PST by fiesti (Terri deserves life---Terrisfight.org)
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To: ThanhPhero

This was a typical liberal reaction. They say to pro lifers "Are you going to adopt these children- put your money where your mouth is!" .

Excuse me !!!! I am not a liberal !!!!!! I also have 2 adopted sons who are men now and I thank God for them everyday as I could not have children....I wish I could adopt some more but too old and they would not let me....


238 posted on 03/04/2005 2:40:06 PM PST by fiesti (Terri deserves life---Terrisfight.org)
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To: ContraryMary

I'm not the one who portrayed her as a burden. And, again, regardless of who was the decision-maker back then it does not affect the obligations and burdens of care. Keep in mind that back then it was a family effort as well.


So you are saying Terri is too much of a burden so lets just murder her ?????


239 posted on 03/04/2005 2:43:24 PM PST by fiesti (Terri deserves life---Terrisfight.org)
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To: fiesti

I said nothing of the sort.


240 posted on 03/04/2005 2:45:36 PM PST by ContraryMary
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