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Breakthrough in solar photovoltaics [Company says it can make solar electricity for 5c/kwh]
The Hindu ^ | Feb 03, 2005 | N.N. Sachitanand

Posted on 03/01/2005 7:56:56 AM PST by grundle

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To: The_Victor
"Put them in orbit and call that that problem solved."

Sign me up for the extension cord contract.

21 posted on 03/01/2005 8:20:52 AM PST by norwaypinesavage
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To: norwaypinesavage
Sign me up for the extension cord contract.

Microwaves are our friends.

22 posted on 03/01/2005 8:25:23 AM PST by The_Victor (Calvin: "Do tigers wear pajamas?", Hobbes: "Truth is we never take them off.")
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To: grundle

Looks like these things cost ~$360/kW panel and only last ~2yrs.($0.05/kW*Hr)


23 posted on 03/01/2005 8:28:33 AM PST by spunkets
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To: RhoTheta

Ping.


24 posted on 03/01/2005 8:33:00 AM PST by Egon (Government is a guard-dog to be fed, not a cow to be milked.)
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To: grundle
If the author meant to say 120 milliwatts per square inch that would be within the range of possibility as the panel would produce 2.64KW over an area of 20,160 square inches.

Two of these in direct sunlight could handle the load of most houses.

25 posted on 03/01/2005 8:39:05 AM PST by Old Professer (A man's conscience is like his garden, it is his and his alone to tend.)
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To: Lekker 1

I was thinking more low-volume storage. Small house-level energy storage methods. Hadn't thought about compressed gas: it would be a bit lossy, but what isn't. . .

The idea I see for photvoltaics of this sort is to get individual homes off the grid. . .


26 posted on 03/01/2005 8:40:35 AM PST by Salgak ((don't mind me, the Orbital Mind Control Lasers are making me write this. . . . FNORD!!))
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To: grundle

Isn't solid state physics fun!


27 posted on 03/01/2005 8:42:15 AM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: Salgak

Photovoltaics along with in-home natural gas fuel cells. I worked for the electric utility for eight years and nothing would do my soul more good than to see them lose some customers.


28 posted on 03/01/2005 8:45:17 AM PST by Lekker 1 ("Airplanes are interesting toys, but of no military value"-Ferdinand Foch, French War College, 1911)
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To: grundle

"120 watts per square inch at 110V" LOL on what planet


29 posted on 03/01/2005 8:55:58 AM PST by Fast1 (Destroy America buy Chinese goods.)
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To: The_Victor
"Microwaves are our friends."

I'm not aware of any technology that can move large amounts of power through large distances using microwaves. Pity the airplane that flies through them>

30 posted on 03/01/2005 9:02:05 AM PST by norwaypinesavage
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To: grundle

Solar power will be relevant when Home Depot or Lowes has a do-it-yourself solar power roof tiles so you can power your whole house.

This is good news.


(s)Of course the environwackos will then pass a law outlawing night and taxing sunlight usage.(/s)


32 posted on 03/01/2005 9:08:44 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: norwaypinesavage

Then you're not familiar with the technology. An SPS would have a receiving antenna in a roughly 8 x 10 km oval (measurements would vary by latitute), and the land underneath could still be used for raising crops or cattle.

Yes, there will be losses. But even at the center, with peak beam density, it's nowhere near harmful levels, it's calculated that if a bird flew through the longest axis of the rectenna, directly through the peak area of the beam, the net effect would be a rise of about .1 degrees C, or a tad over a fifth of a degree temperature rise Fahrenheit. . .


33 posted on 03/01/2005 9:48:55 AM PST by Salgak ((don't mind me, the Orbital Mind Control Lasers are making me write this. . . . FNORD!!))
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To: grundle
"The flagship product, Nanosolar SolarPly, is a 14 feet x 10 feet solar electricity module delivering 120 watts per square inch at 110V."

hmm.....a 140 sq ft module produces 120 watts/in*2:

140 ft*2 x 144 in*2/ft*2 x 120 watt/in*2 = 2.4192 mega watts.

Absolutely f***ing amazing!!.

34 posted on 03/01/2005 10:08:21 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Memos on Bush Are Fake but Accurate". NYTimes)
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To: Salgak
"An SPS would have a receiving antenna in a roughly 8 x 10 km oval and the land underneath could still be used for raising crops or cattle. "

Sounds like a theoretical dream to me. A microwave has short wavelengths (that's why they call them microwaves). Since an efficient antenna has to be 1/4 wavelength to capture the power, the grid spacing would have to be very tight. Supporting a 100 square Km antenna grid at 1/4 wavelength spacing and still passing light and cows would be quite a feat, in my view. The power requirements at the transmitter would also be unique. To be comparable with a single land based powerplant would require hundreds of megawatts of power. How would this be serviced at geo-synchronous orbits since the shuttle won't go up that high? It's hard to imagine a hundred megawatt powerplant that needs no service.

35 posted on 03/01/2005 10:14:13 AM PST by norwaypinesavage
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To: norwaypinesavage
I'm not aware of any technology that can move large amounts of power through large distances using microwaves.

I suggest that you talk to Raytheon and the Japanese. They have been developing and testing such technology for decades.

Pity the airplane that flies through them.

Simply don't fly through the no fly zone. The aluminum skin would protect the passengers and crew (as they would pass through the beam quickly), but the skin might heat up significantly and if there was any minor fuel leak, it might be an engine fire hazard.

Clearly you wouldn't want to sunbathe in the rectenna zone for extended periods, but the Japanese are doing tests on plants and animals living under a typical rectenna continuously bathed in microwaves at the power it would see from a space-based solar power satellite.

Don't fear what you don't understand. Understand what you fear.

36 posted on 03/01/2005 10:17:02 AM PST by anymouse
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To: grundle
...delivering 120 watts per square inch at 110V...

I don't think so.

37 posted on 03/01/2005 10:19:13 AM PST by js1138
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To: cpdiii
Not unless the sun went Super Nova

My first thought, too. Solar flux is more like one Watt/square inch. However, it is possible to focus sunlight using mirrors. But at anything approaching 120 Watts per square inch, you'd have one helluva cooling problem.

38 posted on 03/01/2005 10:27:45 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Deadcheck the embeds first.)
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To: norwaypinesavage
A "theoretical dream" which has it's basis in 1970s technology. The size of the rectenna is purely due to beam divergence over distance.

I suggest you inform yourself using a primer.

No, the shuttle can't go to Geosynch. But the vehicles proposed for the President's Space Exploration Initiative CAN. . .

39 posted on 03/01/2005 10:28:19 AM PST by Salgak ((don't mind me, the Orbital Mind Control Lasers are making me write this. . . . FNORD!!))
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To: anymouse

Please see post 35


40 posted on 03/01/2005 10:28:24 AM PST by norwaypinesavage
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