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Chicago - Bodies Found at Home of Federal Judge
Associated Press | February 28, 2005

Posted on 02/28/2005 7:12:08 PM PST by HAL9000

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To: Bogolyubski
I think it is a very valid and highly likely conclusion to come to. I live in small town next to where Matt Hale lived. Believe me, he is walking pure evil.
221 posted on 02/28/2005 10:31:26 PM PST by bubbleb
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To: cajungirl
Well of course, but love triangles...

There's no age limit, trust me...

And come to think about it, love rectangles. And love octogo...Naw!

222 posted on 02/28/2005 10:31:46 PM PST by Syncro
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To: flaglady47; All
" I am totally convinced that this was murder by proxy. Hale had her mom and husband bumped off by one of his white supremicist followers."

Well, that is surely the most likely. ..but we know things are not always, what they seem to be. . .

Putting on a 'tin foil hat' for just a moment. . .maybe a murder; designed to look like a 'right/wing hit'. . .for some long-term, political gain. OR. ..how were they killed?. . .did her husband; who was a Lawyer, have any 'Islamic' clients ?

OR.....Hale/'white supremecist wins. . .or loses by a 'planned double whammy', by his own people. . .ie they wanted a 'permanent sentence' for him to insure he does not return home soon.

. . .or. . . Hale; very intelligent. . .loses him mind and organizes something very stupid and guarantees his permanent jeopardy.

223 posted on 02/28/2005 10:32:44 PM PST by cricket
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To: flaglady47; All
p.s.. . .". .or. . . Hale; very intelligent. . .loses him mind and organizes something very stupid and guarantees his permanent jeopardy."

Which is where this begins, actually. . .

224 posted on 02/28/2005 10:34:39 PM PST by cricket
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To: Bogolyubski

You make a good point that it could be someone other than a member of Hale's group.

Could this bozo, Hale, be so stupid as to think that if he murdered her family she would be intimidated and not give him extra years ..?? It boggles the mind.


225 posted on 02/28/2005 10:37:55 PM PST by CyberAnt (Pres. Bush: "Self-government relies, in the end, on the governing of the self.")
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To: Cultural Jihad
We join Chicago Trib reporter John Kass, who interviewed Hale moments prior to his arrest, in wishing Hale lots of "multicultural diversity up close and personal in the federal pen."

His sentence may be filled with exclamation points.

;-)

226 posted on 02/28/2005 10:38:38 PM PST by beyond the sea (Barbara Boxer is Barbra Streisand on peyote .....)
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To: flaglady47

Thanks to the Patriot Act .. police are now able to do what only private inspectors were able to do. This gives them a distinct advantage.


227 posted on 02/28/2005 10:43:19 PM PST by CyberAnt (Pres. Bush: "Self-government relies, in the end, on the governing of the self.")
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To: bubbleb

I don't disagree with you asessment of Hale. He's in jail, though. His "church" is pretty much washed up as well. It's completely logical that he and/or one of his disciples should be primary suspects in light of his threats to this judge. Let's just keep in mind that it's all still speculation on our part, though. If the Federal Marshall Service was not pritecting this judge's house - why weren't they?


228 posted on 02/28/2005 10:56:22 PM PST by Bogolyubski
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To: Bogolyubski
According to an ABC News Chicago, neighbors stated that before the conviction of Matt Hale there was around the clock protection but it had stopped right after that. Maybe that was poor planning are the Marshalls' part, if Hale had it done. Sometimes, because this vile creature was created downstate, the authorities don't take these things as seriously as they should. He is expected to be sentenced in April. His "church" may very well be washed up, but he had a web site and a great deal of publicity to recruit. One of his followers had an apartment in the town I live in and went on a murdering spree. He could have others.
229 posted on 02/28/2005 11:17:06 PM PST by bubbleb
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To: CyberAnt

Not in Illinois. Ryan saw to that, may he forever be accursed.


230 posted on 02/28/2005 11:21:03 PM PST by TheRealDBear
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To: bubbleb

If it is true that 24 x 7 protection stopped after Hale's conviction, it would go way past poor-planning on the Feds' part. It would be utter incompetence. I'm frankly surprised, as the government is typically quite zealous about protecting its own.

Hale solicited to have this judge killed. That's a serious threat - regardless of how crazy Hale is or where he lived - and should have been treated as such. Even though his "church" is largely done for, there are still followers (there always are - look at Charles Mason) and he clearly made the threat.


231 posted on 02/28/2005 11:35:01 PM PST by Bogolyubski
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To: Bogolyubski

Agree.


232 posted on 02/28/2005 11:36:51 PM PST by bubbleb
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To: TheRealDBear

Well .. there's still time to change it before Hale has need of it.


233 posted on 02/28/2005 11:54:12 PM PST by CyberAnt (Pres. Bush: "Self-government relies, in the end, on the governing of the self.")
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To: Reform4Bush

I hate Illinois Nazis.

234 posted on 02/28/2005 11:56:49 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: TBall

Police sources were cautious about describing the deaths Monday night, and said it was too early to say how the victims were killed.

"lying in blood in the house"

****

Call me Sherlock but I'll throw caution to the wind and say they "weren't poisoned"


235 posted on 03/01/2005 12:31:04 AM PST by Recall
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To: cajungirl

"My Jewish relatives tell me they are a race"

No they are NOT. They are an ethnicity and/or a religion. (I know that doesn't sound grammatically correct, but it's the middle of the night and I can't think of the correct way to say it.)
Just like Hispanic is NOT a race; it is also an ethnicity.

There are only FOUR races:
Caucasian (yes, Jews/Israelites are caucasian)
Negroid (black american is also NOT a race)
Mongoloid (Asian)
American Indian


236 posted on 03/01/2005 1:15:57 AM PST by SendShaqtoIraq (Reggie, we will always love you.)
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To: cajungirl
No,Jew isn't a race,even though Hitler said it was.

There are only three races,Caucasoid,Negroid and Mongoloid. Everything else is a subdivision or a mixture.

237 posted on 03/01/2005 1:19:10 AM PST by nopardons
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To: SendShaqtoIraq
American Indians belong to the Mongoloid race. There are only THREE races,but many subheadings/divisions.

The Ainu and the Australian Aborigines are Caucasoids;as are Semites...for example.

238 posted on 03/01/2005 1:21:20 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Bogolyubski

Could also have just been an intruder who didn't even know these people, just thought he saw a fancy house and thought he could get good stuff.


239 posted on 03/01/2005 1:25:40 AM PST by SendShaqtoIraq (Reggie, we will always love you.)
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To: CyberAnt

No--she is not Jewish. She married a guy who was born Jewish, but now seemed to be very active in a local Episcopal church.


240 posted on 03/01/2005 2:52:52 AM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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