Bush dodges cocaine charges as addicts rot in jail

Toronto Star ^ | Feb. 27, 2005. 01:00 AM | Joe Conason

[grahm_crackers]

Please verify the claims about Bush's cocaine use you've made in this thread.

Irresponsible charge you're making there.

marajade, bigsigh is only interested in posting up the Leftist smear, not any actual documentation.

What did you say to FRs founder, Jim Robinson, when he made this same charge in August of 1999?

"To: Freedom Wins

So, it doesn't matter if he snorted coke as a youth? It was a long time ago, a youthful indiscretion? Kinda like people who frequented sneakeasies during prohibition? Kind of a cute story, eh? Well, how about all the people whose lives have been destroyed by being arrested for the felony of drug possession? What about the millions of people who are rotting away in your filthy drug infested prisons at this very moment?

Well, by God, if you people insist on electing another cokehead as President, you damned well better throw open all the prison cell doors and free every man, woman, and child you're holding on drug charges. And if you're gonna elect another drug felon as President, you'd better rescind each and every one of your unconstitutional drug laws now on the books, including all of your unconstitutional search and seizure laws, and your asset forfeiture laws, and your laws that enable your unconstitutional snooping into our bank accounts and cash transactions. Well, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. You people are sick! Conservatives my ass. You people are nothing but a bunch of non-thinking hypocrits! You're a shame and a disgrace to the Republic!

And, I, for one, am tired of taking orders from cokeheads and felons! Elect another one and I'll tell you what. I'll be ready for war! It'll be time to take up arms and run the filthy lying bastards out!

2 Posted on 08/20/1999 03:19:31 PDT by Jim Robinson [ Reply | To 1 | Top | Last ]"

To: A Navy Vet

I'm here to work against government corruption and to try to find a way to repeal and/or abolish unconstitutional laws and agencies in an attempt to force our government to abide by the Constitution. I do not believe a Bush Presidency will be good for our Constitution or for our Republic. I also oppose Dole, Hatch and McCaine on the same grounds. I believe that Forbes, Keyes, Smith and perhaps Buchanon would be strong supoporters of the Constitution. I'm neutral on the other Republicans whoa re running. I oppose all Democrats as being anti-constitution (and corrupt). I am not connected to any political party or candidate. FR will continue as an independent non-profit organization no matter who wins the election.

177 Posted on 08/20/1999 16:54:27 PDT by Jim Robinson [ Reply | To 175 | Top | Last ]

And here is that link.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a37bd2556430e.htm

[arasina]

So where are all of your replies to the opinions about this article? Where do you stand on the issue other than 'no coke was mentioned' and .....but I might be wrong. Are you going to let 'bigsigh' handle what is essentially a push poll here?

[marajade]

http://www.corr.ca.gov/CommunicationsOffice/facts_figures_budget.asp

According to this link its K-12 education. My guess was incorrect, health care was third. But your prediction was even more wrong than mine.

[bigsigh]

I guess if JR says it the kool aide line will swallow. Good day!

[an amused spectator]

with your name, I'd be careful about abbrievating the names of others.

I'd only worry about a poor dyslexic aas like yourself, bs. :-)

[bigsigh]

your misunderstanding my point on the budget. I am addressing the operating budget of the department of corrections and youth authority, not the total state budget outside of corrections.

[bigsigh]

Please tell me what I'm required by you to answer so that I can get in the kool aide line also. I'm out til tomorrow.

[marajade]

I'd ask him to verify his charge.

[an amused spectator]

What did you say to FRs founder, Jim Robinson, when he made this same charge in August of 1999?

Nothing. It's his forum, he can say what he wants. Perhaps you should contact HIM about that quote. But I doubt you'll do that. :-)

[an amused spectator]

I'm out til tomorrow.

You knocked yourself out of the thread early on, pal. :-)

[bigsigh]

As I'm out the door for today, I just want to say how impressed I am by your cogent arguments and your avoidance of personal attack. So refreshing for our local discourse. You are indeed a role model for ex-coke users.

[marajade]

I've provided a link to the corrections budget. Unlike you, I can back up my statements.

[Enterprise]

Ode to DFU: (Runaway -apologies to Del Shannon)

As he walks along,
He wonders what went wrong,
With his party, a party that was so strong.
And as he still walks on,
He think of the things they've done
Together, a-while their hearts were young.

He's a-walkin' in the rain,
Tears are fallin' and he feels the pain,
Wishin' Clinton were here you see,
To end this misery
And he wonders--
He wah-wah-wah-wah-wonders,
Why,
Why, why, why, why, as he ran away,
Yes, and he wonders,
Even to this da-ay,
DFUs little runaway,
Run, run, run, run, runaway.

[arasina]

Nothing. My question was for rface and I included you in my reply simply because I mentioned you in my post to him/her.

And the 'banned' play(ed) on...right, bigsigh?

[bigsigh]

Here's what I found

Budget: $5.7 billion (2004-2005 Budget Act)

Avg. yearly cost: per inmate, $30,929; per parolee, $3,364 Staff: 49,073 currently employed including 42,453 in Institutions, 3,114 in Parole, and 3,506 in Administration (about 31,220 sworn peace officers)

Total offenders under CDC jurisdiction: 301,181. One year change: +766 (0.2%)

I don't see the line item budget posted with the total for "personal services" vs "operating expenses." If you did see please link, if you didn't then you haven't found the relevant info to be beating your chest.

During my last year, our facility had a $57 million budget. 90% was employee salaries and benefits which the state calls "personal services." This is distinguished from "Operating Expenses," which ran about 10%. If you have different numbers on these line items, I'd be glad to see them. Does this mean Bush never used coke?

[Alia]

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[The Other Harry]

What good are we doing then if we don't change bad behavior into more positive behavior? We are exacting our pound of flesh. Then we let an unrepentant criminal out so that he can perpetrate more crimes, maybe even worse crimes, and the cycle starts again.

I am not sure where you are coming from on this, and I have not read the entire thread.

In my mind, it is debateable whether prison changes people for the better. With respect to drug addictions, I think it often has the opposite effect.

I was arrested once. I only spent one night in jail. The effect on me was to make me less afraid of being arrested again. Jail is not so bad. The food is lousey, but the people are nice. Even the cops were nice.

[eno_]

Well, by God, if you people insist on electing another cokehead as President, you damned well better throw open all the prison cell doors and free every man, woman, and child you're holding on drug charges. And if you're gonna elect another drug felon as President, you'd better rescind each and every one of your unconstitutional drug laws now on the books, including all of your unconstitutional search and seizure laws, and your asset forfeiture laws, and your laws that enable your unconstitutional snooping into our bank accounts and cash transactions. Well, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. You people are sick! Conservatives my ass. You people are nothing but a bunch of non-thinking hypocrits! You're a shame and a disgrace to the Republic!

Narcs are NOT conservative.

Narcs are unionized tax eaters with guns.

Why would any conservative support narcs?

[Petronski]

What on earth are you referring to?

A thousand apologies! I was referring to Conason. It should have read: "I hope Conason doesn't think pedophilia is a game."

Do you know Conason has never denied being a pedophile?

[rockrr]

Well, to start with, I can't say what marajade or an amused spectator may have said to Jim, but it likely wouldn't be a recrimination, because I don't see where Jim made "this same charge".

I read some conditional statements, and I am sure that there might be a contextural basis for them, but he doesn't claim anything about Mr. Bush's alleged drug use. (More of a "if, then" statement)

What the other guy, what was his name? Something BS.... is stating is: "I said I heard the statements directly from the staff member and then W."

All I asked was attribution or verification. What I & others got was BS.

So I'll go at it another way: bigsigh is a liar. He claims things he cannot support. That he does so about the President is repugnant.