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All but won: The media can't see that Iraq is close to secure
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | Febrruary 27, 2005 | Jack Kelly

Posted on 02/27/2005 5:39:04 AM PST by billorites

Lt. Col. Jim Stockmoe, chief intelligence officer for the First Infantry Division, roared with laughter as he recalled the increasing missteps of the resistance in Iraq in an interview earlier this month with British journalist Toby Harnden, writing for The Spectator.

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Proof of this was provided by Sen. Hillary Clinton. Iraq is functioning quite well, she said in a press conference in Baghdad Feb. 19. The recent rash of suicide attacks is a sign the insurgency is failing, she said.

"When politicians like [Clinton] start flocking to Iraq to bask in the light of its success, then you know that the corner has been turned," a reader of his blog wrote to Bay.

More substantive signs abound. The performance of Iraqi security forces is improving, as are their numbers. Nearly 10,000 men showed up at a southern Iraqi military base Feb. 14 to volunteer for 5,000 openings. Only 6,000 had been expected.

Sunni Arab politicians have admitted they made a big boo-boo in boycotting the Jan. 30 election, and are pleading to be included in the political process. Some ex-Baathists are seeking terms for laying down their arms.

Those who get their news from the "mainstream" media are surprised by developments in Iraq, as they were surprised by our swift victory in Afghanistan, the sudden fall of Saddam Hussein, the success of the Afghan election and the success of the Iraqi election.

Journalists demand accountability from political leaders for "quagmires" which exist chiefly in the imagination of journalists. But when will journalists be held to account for getting every major development in the war on terror wrong?

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1 posted on 02/27/2005 5:39:07 AM PST by billorites
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To: billorites

I have been on vacation, but I saw a story on CNN about how TIME mag "broke" a story that the Army was in contact with the insurgents and making deals with them. CNN interviewed a US Army Colonel in Iraq who described how he had been doing this since last June. Amazing!


2 posted on 02/27/2005 5:53:03 AM PST by gr8eman (I think...therefore I am...a capitalist!)
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To: billorites
Journalists demand accountability from political leaders for "quagmires" which exist chiefly in the imagination of journalists. But when will journalists be held to account for getting every major development in the war on terror wrong?

When this guy is the head of CBS.


3 posted on 02/27/2005 6:05:26 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: billorites
But when will journalists be held to account for getting every major development in the war on terror wrong?

Holding journalists, and their organizations, responsible is what bloggers do best.

If you want facts go to a blog. If you want biased opinions go to the MSM.

4 posted on 02/27/2005 6:21:43 AM PST by Noachian (We're all one judge away from tyranny.)
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To: billorites
"Journalists demand accountability from political leaders for "quagmires" which exist chiefly in the imagination of journalists."

Not if they're covering our major cities. They seem to just ignore the fact that the murder rate in almost every large city in this country rivals the murder rate of all the terrorists in Iraq. And who governs these cities? Why aren't they held accountable?
5 posted on 02/27/2005 6:22:16 AM PST by lotusblos
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To: Noachian
If you want facts go to a blog.

Journos can't really go anywhere in Iraq due to security. So their reporting is naturally less than adequate.

I suspect most of it is "This is Joe Journo reporting live from the bar of the Palestine Hotel. Observers [my pals here at the bar] say the situation in Baghdad is fragile."

The Iraqi bloggers, the military bloggers, and the contractor bloggers are all right there on the ground.

6 posted on 02/27/2005 6:31:24 AM PST by angkor
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To: angkor

I don't think it's that they "can't" see -- it's that they "won't" see.


7 posted on 02/27/2005 6:34:56 AM PST by KateatRFM
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To: angkor
Journos can't really go anywhere in Iraq due to security.

That's true, but they can do interviews and ask questions of the people who are in the field and at Command. Supposedly getting the true facts as to what's happening is what they are there for.

Then there are the editors, back in the states, who may or may not like the copy from the field reporters. They have to keep their bosses happy.

There's a lot of "hands" involved between what happens, what's reported, and what actually makes it to the public. This is the drawback to the MSM.

Bloggers tend to be everywhere, and can report events either as they happen or soon after directly to the public without any middlemen editing their work.

8 posted on 02/27/2005 6:45:47 AM PST by Noachian (We're all one judge away from tyranny.)
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To: KateatRFM; Noachian

I'm not defending them with a mea culpa. Just stating the facts.

But the lack of mobility doesn't at all justify their fictional reporting and made up, slanted stories.


9 posted on 02/27/2005 6:49:07 AM PST by angkor
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To: billorites

10 posted on 02/27/2005 7:11:25 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Please leave a message after the burp....)
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To: angkor; KateatRFM; Noachian
The new schools and power plants aren't located in areas of heavy fighting, yet we don't hear about these things. There are reporters imbedded with the troops yet they don't relate what's really happening.

I agree that the reporters can't go everywhere, but they still aren't giving an accurate account of what's happening where they can go.

11 posted on 02/27/2005 7:12:58 AM PST by infidel29 (America is GREAT because she is GOOD, the moment she ceases to be GOOD, she ceases to be GREAT- B.F.)
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To: billorites

This is a surprising article from such a liberal fishwrap. I don't read it often (my hometown paper) so I'm not that familiar with Jack Kelly. Maybe he's interested in the truth?


12 posted on 02/27/2005 7:14:39 AM PST by infidel29 (America is GREAT because she is GOOD, the moment she ceases to be GOOD, she ceases to be GREAT- B.F.)
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To: billorites
[ But when will journalists be held to account for getting every major development in the war on terror wrong? ]

So thats what you call gladly parroting insurgent devised agitprop...
The reporting on THIS has been "Dan Ratherized" or Mape'ified..

13 posted on 02/27/2005 7:25:06 AM PST by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: angkor
And those bloggers can not only go everywhere and see everything, but actually accomplish military and economic and political missions. Yeah, in the same "security situation" you think is an excuse for the journalists. What, they have no cojones? Sorry, doesn't wash. The journalists report dismal failure because they are communists and the central committee directives tell them to report dismal failure. The security situation and the hotel bar have nothing to do with it.
14 posted on 02/27/2005 7:29:24 AM PST by JasonC
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To: angkor

"This is Joe Journo reporting live from the bar of the Palestine Hotel. Observers [my pals here at the bar] say the situation in Baghdad is fragile."

I suspect that nails it. Most of the VietNam War was covered this way and it worked for the media then, so I would expect the same modus operandi today.


15 posted on 02/27/2005 7:41:04 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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Yeah, in the same "security situation" you think is an excuse for the journalists. .... The security situation and the hotel bar have nothing to do with it.

Oh give me a da** break, will you?

I wasn't "apologizing" for them, in fact I think they're as despicable as anyone else here does (e.g., the seditious propagandist Kevin Sites).

So listen to me carefully:

Fact 1: The security environment is deadly for Western reporters. Fact 2: This causes journos to congregate in their safe zones, among one another (not among the armed forces). Fact 3: This results in them reporting the same rumors, innuendos, dismal predictions, etc. Pack mentality.

That was my only point.

I've worked in dangerous spots, and I've worked among journos, so I have some sense of how they would operate.

Final fact: if you think it's safe for journos (or any Westerner) to travel around Iraq unarmed and without security, you are out of your mind. I'll let you know more when I get there next month.

16 posted on 02/27/2005 7:42:49 AM PST by angkor
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To: billorites
But when will journalists be held to account for getting every major development in the war on terror wrong?

Their 0-for-forever batting average on predictions is not so much the result of miscalculations, misunderstandings, or a failure to grasp the true nature of the happenings in Iraq, it is the triumph of their hopes over reality at best, and at worst it is a deliberate distortion born of their anti-Americanism.

That said, how can we expect them to ever "hold themselves to account", it simply isn't going to happen, only the new media can hold them to account, and the old "journalists" will simply disappear from a lack of demand for what they have to offer.

17 posted on 02/27/2005 7:48:32 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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To: angkor
They have no difficulty arming themselves, hiring security, hiring local stringers to collect stories for them in places they consider unsafe for western looking people, etc. The pack mentality is not due to physical proximity, and saying it is is just a lie. It is due to political proximity, the fact that they are all communists taking one set of orders from their political masters. Oh and why the heck should I give you a break, when you are just wrong?
18 posted on 02/27/2005 7:49:54 AM PST by JasonC
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To: JasonC
The pack mentality is not due to physical proximity, and saying it is is just a lie.

Man, did you ever wake up on the wrong side of the bed.

Where did I say that physical proximity was the *exclusive* determinant of their bad reporting? Nowhere. I didn't say it nor do I rule out the political proximity which is assumed among reporters..

But to say they can or should hire security to bound around Baghdad or Mosul or Ramali is just patently insane.

19 posted on 02/27/2005 7:57:13 AM PST by angkor
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To: gr8eman

Sometimes that was the only way to get food and other goods to the troops. Each area has its own militia and deals with the right people can ensure relatively free movement on the highways, at least for a short time.


20 posted on 02/27/2005 8:09:09 AM PST by Eagle Eye (BTDT got the T shirt, shot glass, coffee mug, ball cap, shoulder patch, key chain, challenge coin...)
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