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College-level grammar lost on college students
The Digital Collegian (Penn State) ^ | Friday, Feb. 25, 2005 | Jen Winberry

Posted on 02/25/2005 11:29:26 AM PST by Willie Green

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To: Kretek
Like, you bet me to it. Frank and Moon would be sooo disappointed they didn't leave more of a lasting societal impact with Valley Girl.
142 posted on 02/25/2005 1:42:52 PM PST by BBell
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To: chs68

The 1957 Fowler is in my bag right now, for short breaks and lunch reading. It's the Bible of grammarians.


143 posted on 02/25/2005 1:44:23 PM PST by Xenalyte (Your mother sells hot dogs.)
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To: chudogg

In college, I found that the lower the grade level that a scoring program I found on an HP3000 (this was 27 years ago) in the Mathematics department scored my papers, the higher the grade I recieved.

Our papers were graded by TAs who did not speak English well. The less I strained their brains, the more I was rewarded.


145 posted on 02/25/2005 1:47:19 PM PST by eno_
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan

I am learning Latin as I teach my daughter. (homeschooling)

Latin makes things so much easier to point out, like plural you, parts of speech and how sentences work.

It is great. I did not have a chance to learn in school.
Mom is getting a better education now, though. LOL!!


146 posted on 02/25/2005 1:48:53 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delenda est publius schola)
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To: TruthConquers
I didn't understand the parts of speech until I took Latin.

I hope you and your daughter enjoy the language as much as I did!
147 posted on 02/25/2005 1:53:26 PM PST by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Count Petofi will not be denied!)
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To: Willie Green

The three language misuses that irk me the most are three VERY common mispronunciations:

1. Mischievous -- It is NOT mis-chee-vee-us!

2. Often -- It's OFF-uhn, not OFF-tuhn!

3. Sophomore -- The middle "o" is silent!

MM


148 posted on 02/25/2005 1:55:46 PM PST by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan

I LOVE it.

Daughter has been another matter until recently.
She is admitting to liking it as well. Hrooah!


149 posted on 02/25/2005 1:58:42 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delenda est publius schola)
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To: Dementon
Stevie Starr: The Regurgitator

Remarkable!

150 posted on 02/25/2005 1:59:03 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Willie Green

But with all the degree-anal employers around, without the sheepskin one is scrooed.


151 posted on 02/25/2005 1:59:08 PM PST by Ed_in_NJ (Who killed Suzanne Coleman?)
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To: Graybeard58

I've seen him on televison a couple of times.

He is, indeed, as you say, remarkable.


152 posted on 02/25/2005 2:05:17 PM PST by Dementon (You're unique! Just like everyone else!)
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To: Nathaniel Fischer

I can't really help it though.

When I IM, I write at least semi-formal still. The one difference is I do this between sentences: "Yeah, it was fun last night...I can't believe Joey fell asleep watching that movie, however."


153 posted on 02/25/2005 2:19:06 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: Willie Green
As long as we're kvetching about grammar, I'll give you my pet peeve. I've been hearing this affectation for at least five years now, probably much longer than that. It first started with media talking heads and has subsequently spread into almost universal usage.

"Last night, a car speeding down the interstate kills a family of...." No, I'm sorry, The accident happened last night and the past tense is appropriate; IE "The family was killed last night..." In a feeble attempt to make everything into breaking news we have thrown out the past tense. This sloppy habit has spread into everyday conversational English. Occasionally I've even caught my wife, a "language arts major" doing it!

To really compound the verbal felony, substitute "goes" for "says" or "said" and you wind up with "He goes 'lets grab lunch', and I go 'sure'!" What on earth has happened to our beautiful, rich, colorful, subtle, dare I say 'nuanced' language.

I fear it's been assassinated by adolescents.

Regards,
GtG

154 posted on 02/25/2005 2:24:11 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, but I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: SupplySider

Lots of Texans pronounce it that way.

My mother, who grew up in New Jersey and has no discernible accent, made sure that her three Texas-bred children ditto. You can't tell I'm from Texas until you get me drunk.


155 posted on 02/25/2005 2:27:14 PM PST by Xenalyte (Your mother sells hot dogs.)
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To: Willie Green
For example, take the word "ignorant." Now those who have actually picked up a dictionary know the word means lacking education or knowledge. Chances are, if you have made it to college you have picked up a dictionary at least once, which is why I cannot understand for the life of me why people insist on using this word to mean "rude." I hear phrases such as, "Gosh, he is so ignorant. How could he even say that to you" all the time, but now that everyone is clear on the true meaning of the word ignorant, the next time I hear this statement, the "he" in question better be showing a lack of knowledge.

Miss, you seem to be a little clueless. The "he", as you call him, shows a "lack of knowledge" of proper manners. That is the reason people use "ignorant" in that context. Call it slang if you wish, but if you couldn't figure that out on your own, you're as stupid as your fellow students.

156 posted on 02/25/2005 2:34:16 PM PST by JohnnyZ ("Thought I was having trouble with my adding. It's all right now." - Clint Eastwood)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
To really compound the verbal felony, substitute "goes" for "says" or "said" and you wind up with "He goes 'lets grab lunch', and I go 'sure'!"

Or how about this:

"He's like 'lets grab lunch', and I'm like 'sure'!" I've heard that usage a few times too many.

157 posted on 02/25/2005 2:37:45 PM PST by KfromMich
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To: Graybeard58
And starting a new paragraph with a conjunction would be the death of me.

Is that how you get conjuctivitis?

But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

158 posted on 02/25/2005 2:38:53 PM PST by JohnnyZ ("Thought I was having trouble with my adding. It's all right now." - Clint Eastwood)
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To: Willie Green
So if you wouldn't write it out on paper, why would you say it aloud?

If you always use perfect grammar when speaking, or even writing, you can come across as stilted. For example "Who are you gonna go to the dance with?" sounds much more normal than "With whom will you go to the dance?"

That said, there are way too many people whose use of grammar is so bad that it's difficult to tell exactly what they're trying to say.

159 posted on 02/25/2005 2:44:01 PM PST by KfromMich
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To: Xenalyte
"Incidence" is a physics term of art - it means the angle at which a ray strikes a surface. Incidents are events.

It drives me mad. However, I'm certain that I have mangled badly and butchered the English language myself so I have little right to complain.

160 posted on 02/25/2005 2:46:45 PM PST by Kretek
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