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Canada Has Given Up Control of its Airspace: U.S. Ambassador
The Canadian Press ^ | February 24, 2005 | Alexander Panetta

Posted on 02/24/2005 6:21:02 PM PST by quidnunc

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To: quidnunc

"Hello Martin, the bad news is there are twenty Chinese missles heading for North America and we can intercept all but two of them.

The good news is the jet stream is blowing the wind to the northeast and you elected to receive those nukes last year when you opted out of the missile shield.

Oh, and Mr. Fox says muchos gracias as well."

161 posted on 02/25/2005 11:39:09 AM PST by Mat_Helm
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To: quidnunc
Martin said he would expect to be consulted on what to do about any missile passing over Canada.

Hello? Hello, Dimitri? Listen, I can't hear too well, do you suppose you could turn the music down just a little? Oh, that's much better. Yes. Fine, I can hear you now, Dimitri. Clear and plain and coming through fine. I'm coming through fine too, eh? Good, then. Well then as you say we're both coming through fine. Good. Well it's good that you're fine and I'm fine. I agree with you. It's great to be fine. laughs Now then Dimitri. You know how we've always talked about the possibility of something going wrong with the bomb. The bomb, Dimitri. The hydrogen bomb. Well now what happened is, one of our base commanders, he had a sort of, well he went a little funny in the head. You know. Just a little... funny. And uh, he went and did a silly thing. Well, I'll tell you what he did, he ordered his planes... to attack your country. Well let me finish, Dimitri. Let me finish, Dimitri. Well, listen, how do you think I feel about it? Can you imagine how I feel about it, Dimitri? Why do you think I'm calling you? Just to say hello? Of course I like to speak to you. Of course I like to say hello. Not now, but any time, Dimitri. I'm just calling up to tell you something terrible has happened. It's a friendly call. Of course it's a friendly call. Listen, if it wasn't friendly, ... you probably wouldn't have even got it. They will not reach their targets for at least another hour. I am... I am positive, Dimitri. Listen, I've been all over this with your ambassador. It is not a trick. Well I'll tell you. We'd like to give your air staff a complete run down on the targets, the flight plans, and the defensive systems of the planes. Yes! I mean, if we're unable to recall the planes, then I'd say that, uh, well, we're just going to have to help you destroy them, Dimitri. I know they're our boys. Alright, well, listen... who should we call? Who should we call, Dimitri? The people...? Sorry, you faded away there. The People's Central Air Defense Headquarters. Where is that, Dimitri? In Omsk. Right. Yes. Oh, you'll call them first, will you? Uh huh. Listen, do you happen to have the phone number on you, Dimitri? What? I see, just ask for Omsk Information. I'm sorry too, Dimitri. I'm very sorry. Alright! You're sorrier than I am! But I am sorry as well. I am as sorry as you are, Dimitri. Don't say that you are more sorry than I am, because I am capable of being just as sorry as you are. So we're both sorry, alright? Alright. Yes he's right here. Yes, he wants to talk to you. Just a second.

162 posted on 02/25/2005 11:42:53 AM PST by lowbridge
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To: Sunsong

If the Owner or the Moderators of this Site decide that Canadians are not welcome on some or all of the threads then that will be their choice. Meanwhile, I see no one other than you suggesting that member Canadian participation on this thread is any problem at all.


163 posted on 02/25/2005 12:07:47 PM PST by captcanada
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To: captcanada

So when are you going to apologize and admit that yes, there have been successful tests and you were in error to imply that there hadn't been and yes you were rude to suggest that Americans on this American site are stupid or silly to think that missile defence will work and that when it is in place they don't care what happens to Canada who has once again betrayed us?


164 posted on 02/25/2005 12:21:54 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong; captcanada

I've read the exchange and don't see that captcanada has anything for which to apologize. He has been very genteel.


165 posted on 02/25/2005 12:54:31 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom
I've read the exchange and don't see that captcanada has anything for which to apologize

If you've read the exchange then you are aware that captcanada claimed that we have had nothing but failures in our missile defence tests - which is not true. To me, that should be apologized for. He is wrong about it and based his lecturing to folks on this thread on that.

It is my view that there was no reason whatsoever for captcanada to lecture anyone about being stupid or silly in believing that our missile defence system will work and exressing displeasure with Canada's decision to stick their finger in our eye once again.

166 posted on 02/25/2005 1:11:08 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong; captcanada
We have had some success, it's true. Certainly I would be offended if someone expected me to write a software system, not debug or test it, and have it work properly on the first try.

These missile defense systems are incredibly complex, and will take many cycles of testing, failure, refinement, and more testing before they yield high success rates. Consider what is involved: Two projectiles moving toward each other at incredible rates of speed; the need for extremely quick and accurate course adjustments; the need for extremely quick and accurate target position/course comparisons and feedback to the navigation system. This is rocket science squared.

The Canadians should be patient; the system will work eventually but is in no way a simple matter. PM Martin no doubt feels pressured by left-wing kill-the-babies-save-the-whales types (of which there are no shortage in Canada) who hate everything American because of Bush and his strong moral footing.

167 posted on 02/25/2005 1:26:09 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: Nachoman
Actually, this is pretty crafty. Canada has now outsourced its defense to the US without paying us a cent.

I have a thought that perhaps the state of Alaska is about to get much larger. They outsource their defense, we merge Ak, Yukon and the NW Territories for our benefit.

168 posted on 02/25/2005 1:33:58 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others)
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To: Centurion2000

Be advised that both places elected Liberals by substantial margins. lol


169 posted on 02/25/2005 2:06:48 PM PST by captcanada
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To: captcanada
The USA's #1 souce of foreign energy is Canada. At same time Canada is your #1 customer period.

Then maybe it's about time to make Canada an imperial territory and destroy the pathetic illusion of independence that you canuck boys seem to think you have.

There's nothing worse than a stupid Canadian trying to lecture the US on foreign affairs. You boys wouldn't last 5 minutes in a war with us and you know it.

170 posted on 02/25/2005 2:17:47 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others)
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To: captcanada
Be advised that both places elected Liberals by substantial margins. lol

Giving Canadians the right to vote in American elections ? Nope. :)

171 posted on 02/25/2005 2:22:57 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others)
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To: Lexinom
not to worry about a Chinese missile aimed at Toronto or Vancouver...as Toronto has the second largest Chinese population outside of China...and I would guess that Vancouver has the large Chinese population similar to Toronto...in the range of a million Chinese in both cities......
172 posted on 02/25/2005 2:33:51 PM PST by thinking
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To: thinking

It's true. I know Vancouver pretty well. Vancouver has a substantial China town, comparable to if not exceeding that of San Francisco.


173 posted on 02/25/2005 2:37:32 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: Centurion2000

Which (if they gave it any thought) is something for he entire world to ponder. The USA (were it as Imperial as some would suggest) could easily have defeated Canada miliarily anytime in well over 100 years and it hasn't. No question were we neighbours with many other countries, we'd have been in serious trouble, and the USA would not enjoy having a belligerant in place here. Instead we are fortunate to have such good neighbours and so it goes in reverse, in spite of what many here (or there) might think. Whether one agrees with the party in power of the day (here or there) and casting aside the usual differences of opinion, it is a good relationship. I certainly did not arrive here to lecture, I came here to discuss. One cannot live so close to the USA without having been there frequently, have family on either side, nor end up having a great and high interest and regard for the USA and it's political scene.


174 posted on 02/25/2005 2:43:27 PM PST by captcanada
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To: captcanada

Well said.


175 posted on 02/25/2005 2:48:02 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others)
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To: semaj
Causing over $50.00 worth of damage.

>>LOL! That was funny.

Canadian dollars...

176 posted on 02/25/2005 2:48:59 PM PST by Studebaker Hawk (Let's get serious: Who you gonna believe? Me or your lyin' eyes?)
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To: dvwjr
Looks like a "win-win" situation for both the United States and Canada...

All you've said makes good sense. However Canadians are now getting their age old wish fulfilled: that Americans learn more about Canada. The problem is the more Americans learn the less there is to like.

177 posted on 02/26/2005 6:43:29 AM PST by JPJones (First and foremost: I'm a Freeper.)
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