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Toronto can learn from California (envirofascists and politics)
CFP ^ | February 23, 2005 | Arthur Weinreb

Posted on 02/23/2005 8:42:07 AM PST by MikeEdwards

People on the left coast tend to be more environmentally friendly (or obsessed) than many other North Americans are. Toronto Mayor David Miller and his comrades on council no doubt look to some aspects of that western state with envy.

In an attempt to lower pollution and save the planet so to speak, Californians are buying hybrid cars in record numbers. Last week, CBS News gave an example of a young college student who purchased a hybrid car and managed to save approximately $300 less a month on gas.

And therein lies the problem. California officials are now concerned about the large decrease in the amount that the state now collects in gas taxes. Now fast forward to Toronto where Miller and his car hating cohorts do whatever they can to make driving in the city more difficult. They neglect gridlock and the conditions of the roads and any money that they do have is spent on constructing bicycle lanes on major arteries and speed bumps (or as the trendy call them, traffic calming measures) on side streets. But hardly a day goes by when the city’s mayor and chief panhandler doesn’t have his hand out for some of the provincial and federal government’s gas tax.

Miller and the council are likely to face the same paradox that California now faces; achieving the goal of reducing cars on the road will result in substantially less revenue. Any decline in the amount of taxes collected on gasoline will give the other levels of government an excuse as to why they can’t bail out Toronto’s free spending council who consider spending reductions as a last resort to solve their financial problems.

At least California uses its gas tax revenues on highway and road construction and repair. . . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at canadafreepress.com ...


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: automobiles; gas; gasoline; revenues; tax

1 posted on 02/23/2005 8:42:09 AM PST by MikeEdwards
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To: MikeEdwards
People on the left coast tend to be more environmentally friendly (or obsessed) than many other North Americans are.

This truism is pure crap. The left SELLS itself as more environmentally friendly, but its favored policies are designed control who makes money and are often immensely destructive to the environment.

2 posted on 02/23/2005 8:47:48 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

The same limo libs who own mansions, jet planes etc.
Hybrid cars wont do well up here in NH especially in the snow.

Have a friend who purchased one of these and after 1 winter. Now drives an SUV with 4wheel drive.


3 posted on 02/23/2005 8:52:25 AM PST by Strutt9
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To: Carry_Okie

The same limo libs who own mansions, jet planes etc.
Hybrid cars wont do well up here in NH especially in the snow.

Have a friend who purchased one of these and after 1 winter. Now drives an SUV with 4wheel drive.


4 posted on 02/23/2005 8:53:22 AM PST by Strutt9
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To: MikeEdwards

Some thoughts....

Government at all levels has waged an unceasing war on smoking by limiting the places people can smoke and by imposing draconian taxes on cigarettes. Now that fewer people are smoking, states such as Washington are in trouble because fewer people are paying the cigarette taxes that finance the state's bloated budget. Now we see the same thing happening in California with gas tax revenue.

Tax vehicles by the mile? That has been going on for decades. The farther you go, the more gas you buy. The more gas you buy the more taxes you pay. Oly on the left coast...


5 posted on 02/23/2005 9:01:11 AM PST by bobjam
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To: MikeEdwards
"In an attempt to lower pollution and save the planet so to speak, Californians are buying hybrid cars in record numbers. Last week, CBS News gave an example of a young college student who purchased a hybrid car and managed to save approximately $300 less a month on gas. "

what a bogus biased statement. I wonder if the thought ever occurred to them (the "writers" of the paper) that people were buying hybrids to save gas money? hmmm i wonder. Nope time to push our agenda move along here nothing to see
6 posted on 02/23/2005 9:05:07 AM PST by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier then working)
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To: Strutt9
You don't get it. Allow me:

NOx regulations that make more smog but mandate construction of new plants that replace the old instead of increasing capacity. That creates power shortages that drive prices up.

Mandate oxygenates that polluted groundwater, produce asthma cases, and then the agencies use the cases to mandate more regulations. Resulting boutique gasolines require massive amounts of natural gas. Guess who wanted those regulations?

It's corruption. There's so much of it that I could write a book, but then, I already did.

7 posted on 02/23/2005 9:05:23 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: bobjam

Mike, all of this talk about taxing cars per mile here in California is just talk, and is likely to go nowhere. Those Prius owners don't like the idea of subsidizing Hummer owners' burden on the infrastructure. This talk is only supported by some Republicans in the state senate and state assembly, and in both houses, Democrats hold a wide majority. It was our governator who suggested the measure whose intrusiveness pales in comparison to any of the Democrats' anti-smoking fascism.


8 posted on 02/23/2005 10:48:42 AM PST by km6xu
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To: MikeEdwards

How are you going to get more cars off the roads when the government is handing out drivers licenses like candy to illegal aliens???...not to mention....the cars they are putting on the road are not hybrid by any stretch...unless you consider a 1974 Caddy hybrid by Mexican standards.....


9 posted on 02/23/2005 11:21:56 AM PST by Route101
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To: MikeEdwards
Toronto is the backwater of Canadian politics. It not only looks and feel European - it has more than its share of Liberals and New Democrats. Almost every city in eastern Canada leans Left. The only place you'll find conservatives east of Manitoba is in the countryside around farms and small towns. Just like in the States - although there are more of us here than in Canada.

(Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News.")

10 posted on 02/23/2005 1:50:36 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Carry_Okie
Like MBTE that a few years ago was a mandatory gas additive in some states,
now the oil companies are sued for having added it to gasoline

Come to think of it, wasn't asbestos also mandatory in many applications years ago?

How come the companies defense lawyers don't bring that up?
11 posted on 02/23/2005 5:42:13 PM PST by BitWielder1
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To: BitWielder1
Like MBTE that a few years ago was a mandatory gas additive in some states, now the oil companies are sued for having added it to gasoline.

It was mandatory because oil company representatives in both the EPA (particularly ARCO Chemical (now Lyondell) and green groups wanted it that way. They knew that MTBE was a problem and drove it through. Not only that, but the Congress indemnified them for the consequences in the Clean Air Act of 1990.

How come the companies defense lawyers don't bring that up?

Because their executives don't want to go to jail for fraud?

12 posted on 02/23/2005 5:50:31 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie
So that's what happened.
Maybe I'll go read your book.
13 posted on 02/23/2005 6:11:17 PM PST by BitWielder1
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To: goldstategop

Toronto BUMP!


14 posted on 02/24/2005 7:46:47 AM PST by ConservativeStLouisGuy (11th FReeper Commandment: Thou Shalt Not Unnecessarily Excerpt)
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To: ConservativeStLouisGuy

Toronto can learn from CaliforniaArthur Weinreb

February 23, 2004

People on the left coast tend to be more environmentally friendly (or obsessed) than many other North Americans are. Toronto Mayor David Miller and his comrades on council no doubt look to some aspects of that western state with envy.

In an attempt to lower pollution and save the planet so to speak, Californians are buying hybrid cars in record numbers. Last week, CBS News gave an example of a young college student who purchased a hybrid car and managed to save approximately $300 less a month on gas.

And therein lies the problem. California officials are now concerned about the large decrease in the amount that the state now collects in gas taxes. Now fast forward to Toronto where Miller and his car hating cohorts do whatever they can to make driving in the city more difficult. They neglect gridlock and the conditions of the roads and any money that they do have is spent on constructing bicycle lanes on major arteries and speed bumps (or as the trendy call them, traffic calming measures) on side streets. But hardly a day goes by when the city’s mayor and chief panhandler doesn’t have his hand out for some of the provincial and federal government’s gas tax.

Miller and the council are likely to face the same paradox that California now faces; achieving the goal of reducing cars on the road will result in substantially less revenue. Any decline in the amount of taxes collected on gasoline will give the other levels of government an excuse as to why they can’t bail out Toronto’s free spending council who consider spending reductions as a last resort to solve their financial problems.

At least California uses its gas tax revenues on highway and road construction and repair. Any share of the gas tax that Miller gets will not go to roads; it will go to hiring more unionized outreach workers to deliver coffee to the homeless and to giving in to the wage demands of Miller’s union buddies when they negotiate new collective agreements. Some of the gas tax will go to the transit system, but not enough to convince many drivers that the TTC is in fact the better way. We now have a situation where we have an under-funded transit system in addition to crumbling and chaotic infrastructure.

California is now considering taxing its drivers by the mile. Big brother devices will be installed in automobiles that will collect data on how much an individual drives. The driver or owner of the vehicle will then be taxed according to how many vehicles that car has travelled during a certain time period.

In addition to large increases in both business taxes and property taxes, Miller will have to do find new sources of revenues to pay for his pet projects, especially if his beloved gas taxes shrink. Tolls on highways and California’s "tax by the mile" cannot be ruled out. And it’s only a matter of time before the federal government starts offering incentives to reduce the use of gas in its attempts to at least appear to be interested in making its Kyoto targets and will further reduce those gas taxes that Miller is constantly whining about.

The reality is that except for his workers and his homeless, David Miller doesn’t care about the people in his city; he cares only about his ideology. This was made clear when he expressed disappointment about those who are losing their jobs as a result of the 2004-5 hockey season being cancelled. He never expressed any sympathy for those who lost similar jobs when Toronto’s restaurants and bars going smoke free. Back then he couldn’t have cared less.

It will only be a matter of time before we end up like California and have to make up for losses in the gas tax by imposing new taxes. It will be enough to make you want to drive off a cliff.

Unfortunately, that might cost you.


15 posted on 02/24/2005 7:50:51 AM PST by ConservativeStLouisGuy (11th FReeper Commandment: Thou Shalt Not Unnecessarily Excerpt)
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