Posted on 02/22/2005 10:09:10 AM PST by Dubya
Here we go again. Another pregnant woman AND her son? are murdered? WHAT is going on in this world? I don't suppose he'll be charged with the babies murder. Isn't Texas one of the states that doesn't recognize the "baby" in utero?
Fox is reporting 3 murder charges.
The guy confessed and told them where the bodies were.
Pinz
Dream on! No matter how many stories we read about women and children being hurt (and sometimes even killed) by "boyfriends" with whom they have set up quasi-family relationships, the breakdown of the family in this country continues. It's the "smart" thing to do--as in "I'm too smart for anything like that to happen to me."
You are right I am sad to say. If we could put the family back together we could solve many of societies problems.
The people who got all bent out of shape about these very reasonable observations are the very same people who ask the rhetorical question "WHAT'S THE WORLD COMING TO???" whenever a shady boyfriend beats up a woman and/or kills her child by another man. They don't really want to know what's behind the behavior because too often the facts of the matter call their own judgments into question.
This is Texas.
The ultimate is Capital Murder.
Isn't he not being charged with Capital Murder? Premeditation or intent isn't required to charge?
Sorry, but murder should never be the consequence for a bad choice. Wonder if you'd feel differently if it were your daughter/mother that was murdered.
But this is an example of some fast police work. Killed on Friday or Saturday, confessed by Tuesday.
Truthfully, if it were my daughter I would be angry enough to rip the perp apart with my bear hands. But, after time had gone by, I'm sure I would start to wonder what could have been done to prevent it from having happened. At that point, I might well begin to wish she had made different choices that would not have put her into contact with this evil man.
sundero
§19.01. Types of criminal homicide.
(a) A person commits criminal homicide if he intentionally, knowingly, recklessly, or with criminal negligence causes the death of an individual.
(b) Criminal homicide is murder, capital murder, manslaughter, or criminally negligent homicide.
§19.02. Murder.
(a) In this section:
(1) "Adequate cause" means cause that would commonly produce a degree of anger, rage, resentment, or terror in a person of ordinary temper, sufficient to render the mind incapable of cool reflection.
(2) "Sudden passion" means passion directly caused by and arising out of provocation by the individual killed or another acting with the person killed which passion arises at the time of the offense and is not solely the result of former provocation.
(b) A person commits an offense if he:
(1) intentionally or knowingly causes the death of an individual;
(2) intends to cause serious bodily injury and commits an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual; or
(3) commits or attempts to commit a felony, other than manslaughter, and in the course of and in furtherance of the commission or attempt, or in immediate flight from the commission or attempt, he commits or attempts to commit an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual.
(c) Except as provided by Subsection (d), an offense under this section is a felony of the first degree.
(d) At the punishment stage of a trial, the defendant may raise the issue as to whether he caused the death under the immediate influence of sudden passion arising from an adequate cause. If the defendant proves the issue in the affirmative by a preponderance of the evidence, the offense is a felony of the second degree.
§19.03. Capital murder.
(a) A person commits an offense if the person commits murder as defined under Section 19.02(b)(1) and:
(1) the person murders a peace officer or fireman who is acting in the lawful discharge of an official duty and who the person knows is a peace officer or fireman;
(2) the person intentionally commits the murder in the course of committing or attempting to commit kidnapping, burglary, robbery, aggravated sexual assault, arson, obstruction or retaliation, or terroristic threat under Section 22.07(a)(1), (3), (4), (5), or (6);
(3) the person commits the murder for remuneration or the promise of remuneration or employs another to commit the murder for remuneration or the promise of remuneration;
(4) the person commits the murder while escaping or attempting to escape from a penal institution;
(5) the person, while incarcerated in a penal institution, murders another:
(A) who is employed in the operation of the penal institution; or
(B) with the intent to establish, maintain, or participate in a combination or in the profits of a combination;
(6) the person:
(A) while incarcerated for an offense under this section or Section 19.02, murders another; or
(B) while serving a sentence of life imprisonment or a term of 99 years for an offense under Section 20.04, 22.021, or 29.03, murders another;
(7) the person murders more than one person:
(A) during the same criminal transaction; or
(B) during different criminal transactions but the murders are committed pursuant to the same scheme or course of conduct; or
(8) the person murders an individual under six years of age.
(b) An offense under this section is a capital felony.
(c) If the jury or, when authorized by law, the judge does not find beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty of an offense under this section, he may be convicted of murder or of any other lesser included offense.
My guess is that if they wanted 'premeditated' in the code it would have been written in... jmo.
"Please keep in mind my earlier post where the issue is not blame... under no scenario can it be said the mother is to blame, but at the same time, this situation was avoidable."
Yes I agree it was avoidable. Okay, ladies. Here's how to avoid it:
Never trust a man.
Never go outside.
If you go outside, never speak to a man.
Never assume you have the same sexual freedom that men have.
Never .... on and on
Aaron, all murders can be avoided. But there is definitely a problem in this country with men killing wives, girlfriends, pregnant and not pregnant. I assume you are a guy...what's the real reason?
I refuse to place any blame on this woman or her children. I think it is sad that people are sitting out there right now thinking more about how she caused this by becoming intimate with someone. The killer is to blame. No one else.
"Truthfully, if it were my daughter I would be angry enough to rip the perp apart with my bear hands. But, after time had gone by, I'm sure I would start to wonder what could have been done to prevent it from having happened. At that point, I might well begin to wish she had made different choices that would not have put her into contact with this evil man.
sundero"
YOU have ABSOLUTELY NO WAY of knowing how you would feel if this really happened to your child. You may think you do, but you don't.
What a shallow contemptuous thing to say.
So it's now her fault?
how ridiculous.
Thanks... I guess if you're gonna commit murder, don't do it TX.
For decades American women have been considered by the media as being political-beings moreso than human beings. After decades of mass media, popular culture and educational indoctrination in marxist political theory applied to gender relations many American women now consider themselves as primarily political beings and apply political theory to practice in their dealings with men.
It's quite unfortunate that gender relations have been corrupted by marxist political designs to the point of warfare being waged upon and in the American family; first with high divorce rates, abortions and ruinous alimony/child-support payments and now apparently, outright murder.
It is no surprise gender-marxism has led to gender warfare and in war people are killed. In warfare killing is the means of obtaining and protecting political control. When classless, clue-less, unsophisticated political sychophants bring gender marxism into their hearts and their homes is there any wonder the end result is murder?
Although the murderer's motivation is unknown at this point I think this crime is so horrendous the political theory behind it reveals itself. Of course there are probably many on this board who will require 10,000 murders before they begin to question their television god and marxist cultural beliefs.
"I refuse to place any blame on this woman or her children. I think it is sad that people are sitting out there right now thinking more about how she caused this by becoming intimate with someone. The killer is to blame. No one else."
The killer is to blame. But surely you can see why a mother should not place herself or her child in quasi-family situations. It's been scientifically proven that children of divorce or far better off being rasied in one-parent homes than in mixed family - Emtionally and physically
truthluva - I suspect I'm about to make myself really unpopular, but there it is. You said, obviously in sarcasm: "Never trust a man.
Never go outside.
If you go outside, never speak to a man.
Never assume you have the same sexual freedom that men have.
Never .... on and on"
I gotta take issue with the sexual freedom part (you atheists cover your eyes). Women ARE different from men. Duh. One of the ways we are different is the God-given gift of being able to bring children into the world. Whether we like it or not, whether it's "fair" or not, it is. This confers upon us a different and perhaps greater responsiblity. The consequences are certainly different.
I'm not speaking to this particular woman and her children, because I don't know enough about them to speak to her situation. But, because of the unavoidable facts of our being, women do not have the same sexual freedom that men have. We can try, but someone always pays when we do, and often it is the children who end up paying.
In years past, women were seen as the civilizing factor in all societies. Therefore, they were treated with respect and protected by most members of society.
At this point you have to come to the realization that men and women are different.
The only thing women got with sexual freedom was less respect, more STDs, more out of wedlock pregnancies, less commitment from men who didn't have to work at a relationship. I'm not so sure that sexual freedom was a good thing for women!!
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