Posted on 02/22/2005 9:41:17 AM PST by AliVeritas
You really are in denial aren't you??
Terri actually communicates with words!
Not even wasting my time.....
Side where you want-- you have been provided the information ans links to se it for yourself- but you would rather support killing handicapped people...your choice..
I can do more good actually putting my effort to people who are at least open-minded and are willing to look into the facts....
I am wise enough to know you are not one of them...
These are self explanatory.
Affidavit of C Iyer
Former caregiver
Affidavit of H Law
Former Caregiver
Affidavit T Capone
Former Nursing Staff
Affidavit of C Johnson
Former Caregiver
If you go here: Terris Fight, click on court documents and the Drs statements are in a bar on the right.
"If food is considered life support, I wonder how many parents in prison for starving and neglecting to feed their kids will be lining up in courts for appeals.....
The Florida Legislature has defined what is a "life-prolonging procedure":
"Life-prolonging procedure" means any medical procedure, treatment, or intervention, including artificially provided sustenance and hydration, which sustains, restores, or supplants a spontaneous vital function. The term does not include the administration of medication or performance of medical procedure, when such medication or procedure is deemed necessary to provide comfort care or to alleviate pain.§ 765.101(10), Florida Statutes.
BUMP
and you have watched all the videos - read all the testimony - visited yourself - and read/seen and heard speak the other woman that recently came out of the same type 'coma' after 20 years - and is now making the rounds to tell her story of how she could understand everything but not speak - and how painful it was when they once took her feeding tubes out for several days - but she refused to die -
better hope you don't get the chance to be in the same position - trapped in a body that you can't make talk, but understanding and hearing what's going on around you - and then having someone starve you to death...
As far as your additional witnesses, their testimony has been taken, and refuted by other witnesses. Some that worked along side of them. The Courts have found them "non-credible" and have so stated in the record.
Another thing of interest. There is alot of comment made here and on other sites about how the Schindler's should be allowed to take Terri home and care for her. They already tried that and Mrs. Schlindler couldn't handle it.
It was at the Schlindler's insistance that Terri was returned to the nursing facility after they found that they couldn't care for her.
"...the other woman that recently came out of the same type 'coma' after 20 years - and is now making the rounds to tell her story of how she could understand everything but not speak - and how painful it was when they once took her feeding tubes out for several days - but she refused to die -
Perhaps you would be so kind as to name this individual??
Please - any link?
You need to read more.
1 My name is Alexander T. Gimon, Ph.D. I am over the age of eighteen years of age. I am engaged in the private practice of clinical neuropsychology, and have been so continuously since 1983. I work with patients, both brain injured and general populations.
2.I took my Ph.D. from Yeshiva University in 1973 and had a fellowship from NIMH and a Clinical & Research Internship. As a Ph.D. candidate, I worked as a Senior Research Associate at Harvard University’s Research Institute for Educational Problems and have had other extensive experience in special education and various facets of the practice of psychology. My full curriculum vitae is attached.
3 Clinical neuropsychology is a specialty profession that focuses on brain functioning. A clinical neuropsychologist is a licensed psychologist with expertise in how behavior and skills are related to brain structures and systems. In clinical neuropsychology, brain function is evaluated by the measurement of specific behavioral markers through standardized testing and careful observation.
4.In my practice, I work with many brain injured patients, and I am familiar with states of impairment known as coma, coma-like, minimally conscious and persistent vegetative state. As a part of my professional practice, I evaluate the brain function of patients whose differential diagnosis include such conditions. During my career as a clinical neuropsychologist , I have personally evaluated approximately eleven patients with a clinical profile similar to that of Terri Schiavo.
5.I have not physically examined Terri Schiavo; however, I have studied the video clips presented at the October 2002 Medical Evidentiary Hearing. The observations that follow are all within the parameters of the profession of clinical neuropsychology, and are similar to the observations that I am called upon to make regularly in the course of evaluating patients as a clinical neuropsychologist. All conclusions are based on standards used in the clinical neuropsychology profession in the evaluation and treatment of patients such as Theresa Schiavo.
6.Based on my experience and my observations, Mrs. Schiavo is clearly able to respond cognitively to environmental stimulii. She interacts verbally and motorically with her mother and with doctors giving verbal instructions. It is clear on its face that she has brain matter for these functions, but has been deprived of appropriate therapy and stimulation. This is documented in the following behaviors noted in the following video segments:
H 01 (Examination of Dr. Hammesfahr 9/3/02) - This segment begins with Terri’s mother entering the room and addressing Terri. Terri’s face goes from no expression, which is her typical baseline in the absence of specific stimulii, to a smile with turned-up corners and eyes opening wider. With the smile she made a sound from the throat and slightly closed lips. Her expression at that point is indicative of recognition of her mother and a vocalization which appears to be specific to her mother. Her eyes focused on her mother’s face with eye contact with her. This is indicative of cognitive recognition with an appropriate vocal expressive gesture.
H 02 In this sequence Terri’s mother told Terri she was going to play music. The volume had been left on high, and when the music began it caused a startle response. Later Terri laughs during the music, but it is not clear whether it is in recognition of the song or is prompted by her mother’s voic
H 03 Manipulation of Terri’s left arm. Terri responded to the doctor through eye focusing and turning her head toward the massage and stretching. She was able to hold the focus for an extended period of time, which indicates interaction and involvement with both the therapist and the therapy, as well as the ability to direct and hold her attention for a substantial period of time.
H 04 Facial and head response to arm stimulation. When raised even with her head, Terri gave a slight grimace of pain. This indicates sensorium between her conscious mind and that extremity. If the only reaction involved the extremity which was the source of the pain, it could be argued that this was a reflex, but reacting through facial expression necessarily involves the conscious mind.
It goes on here: Dr Alex Gammon
And here: Dr William Hammesfahr
And here: Dr Jacob Gteene
And here: Dr William Russell
And here: Dr Richard Neubauer
And here: Dr Fred Webber
If you will take notice, all but one of those individuals listed never examined Terri, rather they reviewed others reports and videotapes that were provided to them.
Interestingly you provided an affidavit from Hammesfahr. I notice that the date if 2001. May be you should review the Second DCA opinion of June 2003 and see what Hammesfahr actually testified to. A rather far cry from what he put in his affidavit.
You may be right on that.......
There is too much rumor out there..
I like your point about accusing someone without better evidence- In fact I kinda think KILLING someone should take better evidence than Michael's MIRACULOUS memory of her wanting to die AFTER he got the $$$$$........
Good point....
Actually I also heard it was $80.00 on the haircut...
heck by next year it may be $100.00
Amazing how so many are willing to torture Terri with far less standard of evidence from Michael than their standard is to give Terri a CHANCE at some therapy....
Where's your links for posts # 106 and #111?
It was at the Schlindler's insistance that Terri was returned to the nursing facility after they found that they couldn't care for her.
This isn't true. Terri's brother and sister stated if there was ever a time her parents couldn't care for her, they would. Michael Schiavo has ALWAYS had control and care of Terri. Why make things up?!
Could you answer a question for me?
Why doesn't Michael Schiavo or his atty have a web page up answering these questions?
After days of reading testimony and reports, etc. on my own, I discovered a lot of things that would dispel some of the rumors against him. (and a lot that hurts him too, but it's not as bad as the rumors)
They should put up a clarification of the "heart attack" vs cardiac arrest thing, evidence produced in the malpractice trial of her eating disorder, police comments, caretaker comments, his Dr studies, and heck, hire other doctors to evaluate her who are unbiased and publish their findings.
Couldn't cost as much as this drawn-out legal thing.
"'Or have you witnessed heavily edited tapes?' 'And you have proof of this?"
You won't believe me- so check for yourself. Go to the Court records and decisions. It's there for you to read. Hours and hours of tape distilled into seconds, a minute or two at the most.
You so sure it's made up? Check the records- all of them. You haven't even scratched the surface.
There really is just so much to sift through, isn't there?
So hard to separate rumor and exaggeration and half-truth from the objective facts so we can figure out where we stand.
Even then, there will be disagreement over what should be done, or what is most credible. But golly it would sure help, wouldn't it? lol
Provide links. I did. Unless it's sourced, it's unproven. That's standard on FR.
Take note, that anyone who doesn't agree with those who frequent these Terri threads is a troll. Absolutely no dissention is allowable without name calling.
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