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Mark Steyn: Atlanticist small talk is all that's left
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 02/22/05 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 02/21/2005 2:26:50 PM PST by Pokey78

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1 posted on 02/21/2005 2:26:53 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; deport; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; JohnHuang2; ...

Steyn ping!


2 posted on 02/21/2005 2:28:51 PM PST by Pokey78 (11/02/04: The death of Zogby's "sterling" reputation.)
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To: Pokey78

Amazing how he churns out these little gems day after day.


3 posted on 02/21/2005 2:35:01 PM PST by speedy
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To: Pokey78

"This week we're toasting the end of an idea: the death of "the West"."

Whew.


4 posted on 02/21/2005 2:35:31 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Pokey78
This week we're toasting the end of an idea: the death of "the West".

Regrettably, I fear Steyn is right.

Henceforth, who in the EU can the U.S. count on? The UK seems bent on subsuming her sovereignty in the Eurinal and, thus, won't remain a reliable ally for long. Great Britain may well be Canada Mk II.

At some point, Poland is likely to become less independent in her thinking and actions, as well. When Berlusconi steps down, how long will Italy maintain a pro-American posture?

When it comes to crunch, as it almost certainly will, will any of these nations have the gumption to survive?

5 posted on 02/21/2005 2:38:53 PM PST by okie01 (A slavering moron and proud member of the lynch mob, cleaning the Augean stables of MSM since 1998.)
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To: speedy

When he dies, I get dibs on his brain.


6 posted on 02/21/2005 2:39:11 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown

With Steyn and Coulter and Horowitz on our side, how can we lose? I agree, Steyn is consistently brilliant. One of the great political essayists of the era.


7 posted on 02/21/2005 2:43:08 PM PST by speedy
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To: Pokey78

Steyn travels a lot and sees all types of people in all types of places. That, plus his natural perception, give him a perspective lacking in any other "journalist".

He's consistently right about European-American relations, and almost always way ahead of the rest of the media. And wraps it all in humor so the bad news goes down more easily.


8 posted on 02/21/2005 2:43:48 PM PST by Joe Bonforte
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To: hinckley buzzard
Rummy's appearance in Munich was unscheduled. A German federal prosecutor was investigating a war crimes complaint against the US Defence Secretary and, although it seems unlikely even the silliest showboating Europoseurs would have been foolish enough to pull a Pinochet on him, Rumsfeld made a point of not setting foot on German soil until Berlin put an end to that nonsense. That tells you more about transatlantic relations than anything in the speech.

Ping for "Europoseurs"!

9 posted on 02/21/2005 2:48:28 PM PST by maica (Ask a Dem: "When did promoting Democracy and Freedom in the World become a Bad Thing??")
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To: speedy

He is my favorite. Coulter is good, but Steyn is the best. He puts into words what I think but can't articulate.


10 posted on 02/21/2005 2:53:00 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Pokey78

Aside from the funky formatting, this was GREAT! Thanks for the ping, Pokey!


11 posted on 02/21/2005 2:55:51 PM PST by alwaysconservative (There are choices by good people, and excuses from the rest.)
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To: pbrown

He definitely has an unparalleled gift for quickly sizing up the amount of BS in any situation and describing it with a humor that highlights the serious issues involved. The best of all worlds.


12 posted on 02/21/2005 2:56:45 PM PST by speedy
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To: Pokey78
When it comes to short term predictions, Steyn is the Nostradamus of our age.
13 posted on 02/21/2005 2:59:23 PM PST by finnigan2
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""But, in the broader sense vis-à-vis Europe, the administration is changing the tone precisely because it understands there can be no substance. And, if there's no substance that can be changed, what's to quarrel about? International relations are like ex-girlfriends: if you're still deluding yourself you can get her back, every encounter will perforce be fraught and turbulent; once you realise that's never gonna happen, you can meet for a quick decaf latte every six – make that, 10 – months and do the whole hey-isn't-itterrific-the-way-we're-able-to-be-such-great-friends routine because you couldn't care less. You can even make a few pleasant noises about her new romance (the so-called European Constitution) secure in the knowledge he's a total loser.""

Money paragraph...gotta love Steyn


14 posted on 02/21/2005 3:02:57 PM PST by flixxx
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To: Pokey78

"Rumsfeld made a point of not setting foot on German soil until Berlin put an end to that nonsense"

Wow! Now that is telling.

Thank you for the ping. Steyn amazes me. I really miss him in the National Post up here.


15 posted on 02/21/2005 3:04:06 PM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: Pokey78

The concept of a "long standing alliance between Europe and America" is nothing but a myth. Throughout the 19th Century, we fought wars, directly and indirectly, declared and undeclared with England, France and Spain. In 1902, we nearly came to blows with the Kaiser over his plans for Venezuela. After great reluctance (and shear stupidity on the part of a one Wilhelm Hohenzollern), we entered WWI. The politics of war and peace left a bitter taste for us: we didn't even ratify the stupid treaty that was supposed to solve all problems for all times. As a result, the public was reluctant to get into "another mess in Europe" now called WWII. We helped oust that maniac with the hokie mustache and then propped up the western half of the continent so as to keep the other manic dictator and his successors out.

We are a nation mostly populated by people who fled Europe for a better life here. If Europe is so great, then why did we leave? And there's the problem with Europe: the smart ones either came here or went to Australia.

Twice in the last hundred years enough; is saving Europe from their own problems a third time since 1917 too much? Maybe not; but don;t bet on it.


16 posted on 02/21/2005 3:11:23 PM PST by bobjam
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To: Pokey78
But, in the broader sense vis-¨¤-vis Europe, the administration is changing the tone precisely because it understands there can be no substance. And, if there's no substance that can be changed, what's to quarrel about? International relations are like ex-girlfriends: if you're still deluding yourself you can get her back, every encounter will perforce be fraught and turbulent; once you realise that's never gonna happen, you can meet for a quick decaf latte every six ¨C make that, 10 ¨C months and do the whole hey-isn't-it-terrific-the-way-we're-able-to-be-such-great-friends routine because you couldn't care less. You can even make a few pleasant noises about her new romance (the so-called European Constitution) secure in the knowledge he's a total loser.

This analogy nails it! Things will get very ugly in Europe in the not-so-distant future. Thanks Pokey!

17 posted on 02/21/2005 3:12:57 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: flixxx
I totally agree. That one made me laugh out loud.
Being at work that was a small problem.

Mark is great.
18 posted on 02/21/2005 3:16:15 PM PST by e5man_r_u? (A Man's mission: Build, Protect, Provide)
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To: bobjam

The smart ones come from all over the world - making it the only consistently ever-improving gene pool on the planet.


19 posted on 02/21/2005 3:17:13 PM PST by maica (Ask a Dem: "When did promoting Democracy and Freedom in the World become a Bad Thing??")
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To: speedy
Amazing how he churns out these little gems day after day.

Maybe a few well-paid and well-fed researchers for starters.

20 posted on 02/21/2005 3:18:23 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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