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Sen. Clinton Says Iraq Insurgents Failing
NY Times ^ | February 19, 2005 | NA

Posted on 02/19/2005 11:03:06 AM PST by neverdem

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To: neverdem

Why? Isn't it obvious?

She's right. She's coming to the conclusion a bit later then most R's, but she's ahead of most of her party.

She knows Iraq will be OK in the end, and she wants to be ahead of the curve. She's the smartest D around, which is why she's so dangerous.



201 posted on 02/19/2005 4:50:22 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: roaddog727; Bommer; DannyTN; Ruy Dias de Bivar; tiredoflaundry
"Positioning herself to the right of everyone else in the Democrat party with Presidential aspirations."
I believe that you have hit the nail squarely on the head with your analysis here.

The more I think of this myself, I believe it all the more. Note for the record that I see nothing conservative whatsoever in Hitlery's behavior -- and there won't be. She simply has to look like the moderate in a race consisting mostly of whackos. What's more: the media will jump on that bandwagon in a heartbeat. I still think the public will eventually see through this ploy, but it will work with rank-n-file Dems - and the union types.

202 posted on 02/19/2005 4:53:25 PM PST by alancarp (When does it cease to be "Freedom of the Press" and become outright SEDITION?)
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To: demkicker
Thanks for the ping. After reading the transcript along with the thread, I have a better feel of how Graham jumped in. I'll again say I'm pleased that he had that sense, a sense he hasn't exhibited in the Senate on more than one occasion.

As far as McCain goes, my true opinion of him is that he's a joyless, jealous, abusive man who is incapable of admitting a mistake or taking the high road.

I've said many times that we have made serious mistakes and we've paid a heavy price for those mistakes. And I have pointed them out a long time ago.

He's not going to give up making this point. He joined the "there aren't enough troops in Iraq" team and like most of his positions, his ego won't let him budge. His first point regarding withdrawal and that pressure is accurate, American opinion and demands are driven by casualties. It is also an incredibly stupid thing to say to our troops, the Iraqis, Americans and our enemies. All that needed to be said was what Graham said.

203 posted on 02/19/2005 4:54:39 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: demkicker; Miss Marple; Dog; Bahbah
QUESTION: So, I wonder if you could both give us your sense, what that means to you to come here? What are you going to be telling people -- not at news conferences, but what are you going to be telling the 42nd president of the United States -- in terms of Clinton -- when you get home, in your kitchen? What is your feeling about this?

CLINTON: Well, it is mixed. Because I was last here at the end of 2003. And I was able to drive from the airport into Baghdad, for example. It is regrettable that the security needs have increased so much....

When was the last time Hillary! actually drove herself anywhere? She's been under USSS protection since 1992 and Arkansas State Police protection 1978-1980 and 1983 to when the USSS took over the job.

204 posted on 02/19/2005 4:57:25 PM PST by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: cake_crumb

wow.....I was apprciative until you said "support him"...I have said several times that I don't support McCain as much as I support not throwing memebers of our party out the door cause of some disagreements and sorry, it was another guy who said "thin skinned'..Maybe you were not one of the ones that basically said he was a traitor, I think I responded to you first saying I said he was a conservative which of course I never did....MY main thing is those who villify some in our party that have some different ideas but are with us most of the time.....I agree that McCain is on the fence but the same folk say the same crap about Graham or Hagel cause of one or two things but you look at their voting records and scores by the conservative groups and they are as close to solid as you can get......


205 posted on 02/19/2005 4:57:38 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: KiloLima
Hillary: 'I am Sick and Tired' of Patriotic Critics

I found it a while ago, but I just missed where your comment was located.

I have another interesting thread, "In Secretly Taped Conversations, Glimpses of the Future President".

206 posted on 02/19/2005 5:02:56 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: NorCalRepub
Here is what I said to you earlier:

"I know many of you Californians are sensitive to people like me who speak bluntly, but words have meaning and I meant every one of mine regarding McCain."

Believe it or not, I wasn't trying to insult you and I clearly wasn't insulting your "entire state" like you implied.

You had already demonstrated your intollerance for my intollerance of McCain. It was a mere observation on my part and I really don't want to argue semantics with you anymore.

My bluntness and feelings about McCain are no secret now. I don't really care if you agree with them or not. Let's just drop it, okay?
207 posted on 02/19/2005 5:05:41 PM PST by demkicker (John McCain is a power hungry traitor and proved it on 2/19/05 in Iraq)
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To: zbigreddogz

If you don't read the whole thread, I forgot the /sarcasm tag. I thought everyone understood it was obvious. Do you think I'm that naive?


208 posted on 02/19/2005 5:08:22 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: demkicker

fine we can drop it but it was calling him a traitor that I first objected to......I'm sure we are just fussy that neither of our football teams have reached the Super Bowl after winning five apeice.........LOL.....


209 posted on 02/19/2005 5:09:31 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: NorCalRepub
What did you think of McCain when he gave that great speech glorifying Bush and different states stumps and at the convention......thought he gave a stirring speech FOR Bush, not against him

One more time:) Forgot to answer this question. I think John McCain is a cunning politician. He had to give that speech. There is something everyone should realize. Like it or not, all politicians want to win and be in power. To some It is their intoxicant. Bush/Cheney used John McCain because they needed him and the votes he could bring to the ticket, nothing more, nothing less.

Read Dolphy's post (#203) for an assessment about McCain that I'm in total agreement with.
210 posted on 02/19/2005 5:14:57 PM PST by demkicker (John McCain is a power hungry traitor and proved it on 2/19/05 in Iraq)
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To: NorCalRepub

Are you on McC's payroll?


211 posted on 02/19/2005 5:18:58 PM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: cake_crumb
McC is not a man to be trusted. He may have spoken FOR the president on the campaign trail but would often turn around and promote kerry in the next breath.

Trust is something earned, and as you mention, even his VN POW/MIA brothers know he can't be trusted.

That VN issue is what was behind Perot's campaign against Papa Bush.

212 posted on 02/19/2005 5:21:14 PM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: demkicker

that is noted.....again, if you disagree with his politics, that doesn't offend me......speculating on him being a traitor did........I too disagree with him on some points and on others like getting pork the hell out of our budgets I do.......and no one else speaks much to this issue..have a nice weekend.....


213 posted on 02/19/2005 5:23:21 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: OldFriend

of course not......and before we get into it......go back and read my posts......my objections were to calling him traitor or fool which he is neither.....and I was objecting to some of those invectives considering he votes with the Repubs 80% of the time......maybe that makes him a RINO but some here villify him and make him worse than many Dems. I don't think most of us agree with our spouses much more than that.....


214 posted on 02/19/2005 5:26:44 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: OldFriend

I don't believe he promoted Kerry at anytime.....what he said is that Kerry was his friend and he wasn't going to bad mouth him....I think that is a little different....


215 posted on 02/19/2005 5:29:25 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: NorCalRepub

McCain specifically said that he thought Kerry would be a good Commander in Chief.


216 posted on 02/19/2005 5:31:20 PM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: NorCalRepub
I may not agree with my spouse but I darned sure don't go out in the world and tell everyone about it. Particularly, competitors.

Would you speak against your spouse to others?

217 posted on 02/19/2005 5:32:28 PM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: OldFriend

but you know like what was posted earlier that that was a friend saying that and not a promotion cause in the next breath he said that Bush is the only one who had what it took to go into AFghanistan and Iraq and that he had the moral courage at the right time.......that still trumps any friendship statement.....like when Bush gave Kerry some back handed compliments......they are just political gamesmanship IMO


218 posted on 02/19/2005 5:35:15 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: OldFriend

of course not but my spouse is not a matter of public policy....my intention was to say that you can disagree with someone and not throw them overboard.....if he was so vile and hateful like Kennedy or Kerry or such, than yeah, give him the heave ho, but I just don't see him like that.


219 posted on 02/19/2005 5:37:15 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: NorCalRepub
Err...you misunderstand me. I mean only that if you support him that's your right, if you don't that's your right as well. This is an expression of tolerance, nothing more.

You're going to find extremely differing opinions about everything from politics to sitcoms on FR, because it is composed of over 80,000 individuals with individual opinions. We come here to discuss and debate. It wouldn't be much of a discussion or debate if everyone were of the same opinion.

220 posted on 02/19/2005 5:45:44 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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