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To: Blzbba
Applying the creationoid standard to Christianity means that every digraced pervert priest, every adulterating, money-laundering televangelist, and every action of fringe Christian cults only mean that Christianity is itself a farce.

I have never seen a satisfactory reply to this particular accusation of double-standards. In fact I'm not sure that I've even ever seen a creationist attempt to explain why scientific fraud (uncovered by scientists, as usual ) invalidates all of science, yet religious fraud does not weaken religion in the least. While we are about it let us not forget that wonderful fraud, the Turin Shroud (shown to be fraudulent by scientists using C-14 dating, not by the power of prayer; how richly ironic in the context of the current debate)

60 posted on 02/19/2005 11:35:21 AM PST by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: Thatcherite

The Turin Shroud is still not conclusively a fraud. The C14 dating may have been in error or the sampling may have been poorly done.

You know that I support science, but your claim on the Turin Shroud is exaggerated.


69 posted on 02/19/2005 12:01:33 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Thatcherite
While we are about it let us not forget that wonderful fraud, the Turin Shroud (shown to be fraudulent by scientists using C-14 dating, not by the power of prayer; how richly ironic in the context of the current debate)

You are woefully ignorant of the C-14 dating of the Turin Shroud. Note I didn't say all scientists are woefully ignorant, just you.

108 posted on 02/19/2005 4:48:58 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Thatcherite

"I have never seen a satisfactory reply to this particular accusation of double-standards. In fact I'm not sure that I've even ever seen a creationist attempt to explain why scientific fraud (uncovered by scientists, as usual ) invalidates all of science, yet religious fraud does not weaken religion in the least. While we are about it let us not forget that wonderful fraud, the Turin Shroud (shown to be fraudulent by scientists using C-14 dating, not by the power of prayer; how richly ironic in the context of the current debate)"



Agreed. What's funny about the Shroud is that some who believe in its validity point to C-14 dating techniques to prove it....but then disassociate themselves from C-14 on matters such anthropological dating. Can't have it both ways!


384 posted on 02/21/2005 6:46:44 AM PST by Blzbba (Don't hate the player - hate the game!)
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To: Thatcherite
I have never seen a satisfactory reply to this particular accusation of double-standards. In fact I'm not sure that I've even ever seen a creationist attempt to explain why scientific fraud (uncovered by scientists, as usual ) invalidates all of science, yet religious fraud does not weaken religion in the least. While we are about it let us not forget that wonderful fraud, the Turin Shroud (shown to be fraudulent by scientists using C-14 dating, not by the power of prayer; how richly ironic in the context of the current debate)

Because religious fraud can easily be shown to either be in line with what the Bible teaches or against what the Bible teaches.

It is actually easy to explain most religious fraud when compared to the Bible, and most Christians are guilty of something, but in itself, there is a standard to follow, the Bible, while Evolution does not have anythng that is an absolute to follow.

But your comments that proving evolution wrong therefore proves all science wrong, that is a falsehood that no intelligent person engages in, I mean, after all, if it weren't for Bible Believing Christians, you wouldn't have science that we have today, like Newton, Morse, Fulton, George Washington Carver, Farraday, Boyle, Lister...shall I go on?

411 posted on 02/21/2005 7:09:39 PM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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