Posted on 02/18/2005 1:10:19 PM PST by mrustow
If you give Million Dollar Baby half a chance, you're gonna cry.
"You're gonna cry," the ticket-seller, a Spanish lady in her late fifties, told me. And she was right. Frankie: Father, that was a great sermon ... made me weep. Meanwhile, Maggie just wants a chance. Frankie tells Maggie, "I don't train girls," but she is not to be denied.
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Yes, of course. It's an ironic critique of religiously based social convention--and really of religion itself, which Twain rejected. Strikingly original in its time, it's become a cliche now.
The point in Million Dollar Baby . . . is that Eastwood's character DOES doom himself by his religious belief . . .
Yeah. But since viewers know that the character's actions were morally right, that means the religious beliefs are wrong. Shades of Twain? Of course. Intentionally, I suppose.
See it, don't see it, no one else cares. But judge it as a movie, not as a pro-euthanasia screed, because if it were that there would be no drama in the decision--if he's doing something the movie's point of view says is a good, right thing, why is it shown as a dramatic decision?
"My dear, it's only a movie. Don't take it too seriously."--Alfred Hitchcock
These people hate movies. Heck, they don't even go to the movies or rent them. They just listen to Michael Medved, and scream bloody murder, when he tells them to. He hates movies too, but at least he watches them, before condemning them. But you're being much too subtle for them.
The very best, most moral movies are not sunny, happy "watch this guy do good!" movies but those showing people in moral dilemnas. The opposite of a dramatic situation is one in which the "right" choice is plain as day and the hero makes it without reservation and that's it.
The essence of drama is conflict. The best conflicts come from inside the hero--"man in conflict with himself". Movies about such conflicts that show someone making decisions that some people will agree with and others disagree with, in which the hero is conflicted even after arriving to his or her decision, are potentially the very best dramas.
I enjoyed much of Mystic River, but found the drama bungled by the end--SPOILERS AHEAD--he "right" choices are plain as day, and the climax is more about certain information not getting to certain characters, and the evidence that puts one character on the spot is pretty lame (the night one character gets killed just so happens to be the same night another character kills someone for the first time in his life? Uh, yeah...). Having said that, the feelings that come out as a result of Penn's suspicion and Robbins's decades-long anger are powerful.
END SPOILERS There's nothing like that in MDB. There is no way for the character to hide, he has to make a tough decision, and sacrifices his own moral code out of a complex love for another character. THAT is the essence of good drama.
People who change their moral points of view based on a freaking Hollywood fictional movie are probably too stupid to know how to vote, so I don't know what all the whining is about. As I wrote before, the same people probably have no problem watching Mel Gibson shoot up thirty people a movie and don't get all bent claiming a Lethal Weapon movie is "advertising murder".
If these yahoos get Eastwood some free publicity, maybe it will generate more interest and ticket sales. Then will their agitations have had some value, in spite of themselves.
Thanks for your informative reply.
The Oscars can't be taken seriously. My only interest in them is to ogle the comely young actresses doing the red carpet bit.
I just reprinted your post, because I like what you had to say.
I suppose you could say the same about Triumph of the Will.
If you say so. I've never seen it.
Pretty sick.
People who condemn things they know nothing about, have zero credibility.
Dirty Harry was not promoted as a romantic comedy.
Eastwood didn't misrepresent his movie, you did.
Bump to that.
Zip, zilch, nada!
I have no use for females boxing, either, but made an exception, because of who made the movie. But the movie has no pro-euthanasia message. Don't let the yahoos fool you. They didn't even see the movie.
Everyone should go see "Beyond the Sea". Now THAT is a good movie.
I heard that Kevin Spacey did his own singing, and even sounded like a reincarnation of Bobby Darin. It never occurred to me before the movie came out, but Spacey resembles Darin. I look forward to renting it.
Because it wasn't nominated for any Oscars?
Father Horvak: Frankie, most people figure out by kindergarten that it's about faith.
Frankie: Is it sort of like snap, crackle, and pop, all rolled into one big box?
Gotta love those straw man debates in movies. Ever see a shamrock, Clint? Next St. Patrick's day, ponder how he explained the Trinity to the Irish.
I look forward to reading your more intelligent remarks, after you have seen the flick. Meanwhile, I question your assumptions.
Those who are ignorant of facts and events should keep their comments to themselves. Displays of ignorance only serve to embarrass the audience.
You don't know beans about either man -- or movies.
Oops! I may have unconsciously plagiarized you!
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