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Couple take lumps since cookie suit
Denver Post ^ | Feb. 17, 2005 | Electa Draper

Posted on 02/17/2005 9:21:26 AM PST by kemathen7

Durango - Herb Young turned the telephone off again Tuesday after it rang at 12:40 a.m.

One recent caller had told him that "you should be found dead in a ditch."

Nine out of 10 calls to his house are from "crackpots," he said, ever since a plate of cookies and a case in La Plata County Small Claims Court turned life upside down.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: attackofkillercookie; colorado; cookiecrumbles; cookies; nogooddeedunpunished; paybacksahillary; psycholady
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To: mdmathis6
She gets anxiety attack and chest pains, maybe a potential MI. She goes to hospitial, bills are generated.

If she "thinks" she's having a heart attack, why didn't she go to the hospital?

And, again, six OTHER families did NOT "think" they were having heart attacks and/or potential MIs.

No harm was done to this woman that she didn't do to herself.

341 posted on 02/18/2005 6:23:11 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I think you're exactly right.

She's got all the buzzwords down pat.


342 posted on 02/18/2005 6:24:46 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: All

Poetic justice would be for this women to suffer all the things she is now, when on her way to court to bilk the sytem , steps out her back porch and notices a nice big coiled Rattlesnake right in her midstep.

Of course she would probably look to sue the Colorado Division if Wildlife.

One thing positive about this. I bet her daughter has learned a few things about the term Blowback. :)


343 posted on 02/18/2005 6:34:34 AM PST by Area51 (Illegal Immigration: 20 Million Mexicans can't be wrong.)
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To: mdmathis6
Quite simply put, you don't know what you're talking about.

But the article said when she tried to collect, she did not hear back from the family for a few months until finally they presented her with the money and a legal document to sign.

First of all, this article is based on what SHE is saying, not the complete facts; they immediately offered to pay but she wanted more -- a security system at her house.

She said that they BEAT the door so bad it had dents in it -- it did not.

The police reports said they parked 500 yards from her house -- not 1000.

The families of the teens aggravated the situation by first not paying what they promised verbally, then pushing a legal document

They had every legal right to ask her to sign a disclaimer; and SHE got the first attorney, so they were forced to consult one.

onto a suspicious anxiety ridden woman who never the less would have just taken the money otherwise and just shut up about it

No kidding? Then why did she ask for $10,000 pain and suffering PLUS a security system for her farm?

And they sure haven't shut up about it; the families are in court this very week trying to get a restraining order against the husband for making harassing calls to the girls.

344 posted on 02/18/2005 6:34:51 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: mdmathis6
So while no moral harm was intended, harm was done when the woman suffered what she thought was a heart attack. Harm was further done when the money for the medical bills was further delayed beyond what the families promised(probably because most folks don't see "anxiety attack" as a real illness, despite the medical bills it generated for the victim).

The more you post, the more you show your lack of this story AND the law.

345 posted on 02/18/2005 6:36:40 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: GraceCoolidge
and she forfeited the goodwill of most of her neighbors.

Absolutely.

And the more she whines, the more "ill will" she is generating. She'll probably have to move.

346 posted on 02/18/2005 6:38:05 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: cyborg

That she would have!

What I don't get is the daughter: why didn't she say "Mom, it's just a plate of cookies!"

Or how about, "Mom, you're going to humiliate me in front of my friends."


347 posted on 02/18/2005 6:39:19 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Howlin

I reread it and think she's nuttier than I previously thought. Her lawsuit is BS but oh well she won anyway. Now she'll be known as the cookie hag for the rest of her life *lol*


348 posted on 02/18/2005 6:45:05 AM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: cyborg

All we really need to know is that seven plates of cookies were delivered and only one person went to court.


349 posted on 02/18/2005 6:55:58 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Howlin

good point


350 posted on 02/18/2005 6:58:40 AM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: Mr. K

I agree. I dont see what the big deal is. Filing a suit may seem extreme to some. But then again, courts allow people to settle their disputes in a civil manner as opposed to "street justice."


351 posted on 02/18/2005 7:00:21 AM PST by amosmoses
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To: Howlin

Thanks.

She's going to pocket a lot less than $900 then, and if he is on ah hourly rate she'll probably be in the hole.


352 posted on 02/18/2005 7:11:16 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Mr. K
I think this lady is getting a little bit of a bum rap- She was terrified by someone delivering cookies at 10:30 (at night) who did not reply when she asked who it was.

So far that seems reasonable behavior.

My 86 year old mother answers the door after dark with a .357 in her hand and you had best have a good reason to be there at that time of night, but afraid?

Being afraid or unequipped to answer the door that way is unreasonable and incompetent.

So9

353 posted on 02/18/2005 7:18:56 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: Servant of the 9
Being afraid or unequipped to answer the door that way is unreasonable and incompetent.

Yes, it is. If someone pounded on my door late at night, I'd have a .38, a .357 or a .45 in my hand, depending on my mood. I'd flip on the porch light and peer through the peep hole. I wouldn't start "firing away" as some on this thread have said that the "gun nuts" would do, I would see what the situation was.

354 posted on 02/18/2005 7:25:42 AM PST by .38sw
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To: kemathen7

This is probably the dumbest case I've ever read about. The woman who sued the girls sounds like a nutjob and she's not getting any better over time.


355 posted on 02/18/2005 8:01:04 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: chemainus

So tell me why my arguements are "specious and distorted" instead of being INTELLECTUALLY LAZY and just labeling them as such?


356 posted on 02/18/2005 8:18:01 AM PST by mdmathis6 (By playing the Devil's advocate, one can often separate self from the Devil!)
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To: Mathemagician

I have a feeling that the trip to the hospital the next day was to "document" her "stress."

I bet you good money she sues them in civil court.


358 posted on 02/18/2005 8:49:43 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Howlin

I think the calls are going back and forth....if the judge was smart he would issue a restraining order on all of them to quit talking to each other as well as public gag order on the press coverage of this issue.

You got THREE WOMEN in the house alone, out on a dark country night, a sick old lady, a child, and an excitable lady prone to anxiety attacks. "Cookie" suffers what she thinks is a heart attack, she does generate medical bills. the bills were a fact, the small claims court established that. Pain and suffering claims are generally not handled by small claims courts, plus I don't necessarily think she deserves pain and suffering. I am with many folks that the notion of a pain and suffering award is such an arbitrarily drawn absurdity, there can never be a baseline set from which fair awards/dispensations can be exacted.(loss of income from work or property damage is another matter however). Plus 900 dollars was the agreed about amount verbally as I understood it, yet the families delayed in paying the bills....probably thinking the woman would just forget about it and go away(she's a crazy neurotic anyway!).

As to the motion detector and the 10000 dollars, the court was right to deny that, I think that speaks to what I've said about small claims and local magistrate type courts, those things are usually beyond their scope but I'm not sure what type of court this issue was heard in. The motion detector request speaks to the "whack job" nature of the woman. Besides a motion detector will just make it worse, everytime the thing goes off it will freak out the woman further!

The problem for the teens is that while they meant no harm, harm was done. An anxiety ridden idividual can have an attack that lasts hours and yes they can be frightened literally into stress related chest pain and heart attacks. The fear ridden woman was alone with a sick mom and a daughter out on a dark country night with who knows what rummaging around and her husband not at home.(From the description of the woman, I might want to be away from home as well) It stands to reason that it might be the next day before she went to the hospitial. (many people delay to late before seaking medical help for possible heart attacks,denial being endemic in most of us).

Yes the lady is a "whack job", with court established claims to have her medical bills paid. Yet the court limited(rightfully so) the awards to the bills only. There it should have ended. Yet somehow the MSM got a hold of the story and soon it became another example of our lawsuit happy society is out of control.

I'd rather see national villification heaped on some obese person suing McDonalds or a "whack" job suing God and a local restaurant for second hand smoke. Or some equal time scorn for the teens' families who broke their verbal agreement to pay the medical bills in a timely fashion!


359 posted on 02/18/2005 9:04:14 AM PST by mdmathis6 (By playing the Devil's advocate, one can often separate self from the Devil!)
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To: mdmathis6
I think the calls are going back and forth....

Are you making this up as you go along?

There is absolutely NO accusation of the girls' families calling them.

and an excitable lady prone to anxiety attacks. "Cookie" suffers what she thinks is a heart attack

READ THIS NEXT SENTENCE CAREFULLY: Then why did she wait until the next AFTERNOON to go to the hospital?

Plus 900 dollars was the agreed about amount verbally as I understood it, yet the families delayed in paying the bills....probably thinking the woman would just forget about it and go away(she's a crazy neurotic anyway!).

The families didn't pay her because she wouldn't sign the STANDARD RELEASE that everybody has to sign in situations like this.

The second part is just more of your specious speculation; there's absolutely no indication the families tried to get out of paying her.

The rest of your post is just speculation based on ill-formed assumptions and misinformation.

360 posted on 02/18/2005 9:20:09 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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