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GRADUATE RACE-DIVIDE GETTING WORSE
New York Post ^ | 2/15/05 | DAVID ANDREATTA

Posted on 02/15/2005 6:23:30 AM PST by BigKPM

February 15, 2005 -- Black and Hispanic teenagers in New York state graduate from high school at roughly half the rate of white students — nearly the largest disparity in the nation, a new study shows.

While the 81-percent high school graduation rate for whites in New York held steady between 1997 and 2002 — the years the study examined — the rates slipped to 42 percent from 47 percent for blacks and to 36 percent from 39 percent for Hispanics.

"It confirms what a lot of people have long talked about and suspected, that New York particularly serves its minority students poorly," said Jay Greene, a senior researcher at the Manhattan Institute, which will release the study today.

Only Wisconsin, where 91 percent of white students graduated, had a larger disparity between blacks and whites.

The study did not consider Asian students.

Overall, less than two-thirds of New York state's teenagers leave their high schools with a sheepskin and only half of them are qualified to apply to four-year colleges, the study shows.

The state's 64-percent graduation rate — a 3-point drop from a decade earlier — places New York 40th out of 50 states.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: education; race
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Here's the kind of story I really have a problem with. Note how the only quote blames only the school system, and the quote is backed by the typical scientific liberal style of "what a lot of people have long talked about and suspected." That means that someone offered up this opinion at a cocktail party, which as good as fact.

What you don't see is what many studies have shown, which is that societal problems are at play here in the black and hispanic communities. This victim mentality does a disservice to these students.

I asked a liberal friend of mine recently why he thought that such a high percentage of blacks voted for Democrats, and he said "because they have no friends in the GOP." That's a load of BS. The difference is that the GOP is the party for people who want to help themselves, which the Democrat Party is the party of victims.

Although small, I was very pleased by the increase in the black vote for Bush in this last election, and the large hispanic turnout for Bush. As a white republican, I for one welcome these Americans with open arms. Together we can change the victim mentality.

1 posted on 02/15/2005 6:23:30 AM PST by BigKPM
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To: BigKPM

I think we should pour more money into the Department of Education!!


2 posted on 02/15/2005 6:25:23 AM PST by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: BigKPM

Does it ever occur to anyone that that cursed "white" group just might be doing something right????


3 posted on 02/15/2005 6:25:25 AM PST by cynicom (<p)
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To: BigKPM

Yep. No "friends in the GOP"???? That's because friends don't let friends vote Dem!


4 posted on 02/15/2005 6:26:56 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: BigKPM

I went to catholic school where black and hispanic kids are graduating all the time with degrees better than a GED.


5 posted on 02/15/2005 6:27:35 AM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: cynicom

No doubt. In my daughter's school not one but TWO 13 year olds are PREGNANT. They are both black. The parents have stated that they are THRILLED!

Go figure.


6 posted on 02/15/2005 6:27:50 AM PST by HMFIC (The Peace Symbol is the FOOTPRINT of the American CHICKEN!)
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To: BigKPM
"doing well in school is acting white" Bump.
7 posted on 02/15/2005 6:27:58 AM PST by bikepacker67 ("Donovan McNabb... I can't HEAR YOU" < / Who's your Mommy>)
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To: HMFIC

Ouch. If that sort of thing is very common/accepted, it's time to look for a new school.


8 posted on 02/15/2005 6:29:39 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: BigKPM
The study did not consider Asian students.

This one sentence is the money shot of the whole article. This tells you the study is a fraud, because if Asian students had been included, there would have been no disparity between "white" students and "minority" students.

9 posted on 02/15/2005 6:29:43 AM PST by Panzerfaust
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To: bikepacker67

The key is to look at which party claims they are the party of minorities and diversity, and which party actually has minorities in real positions of leadership and responsibility.


10 posted on 02/15/2005 6:30:39 AM PST by BigKPM (Spun by the Times again)
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To: Panzerfaust

Right. Leave it out if if doesn't suit the agenda.


11 posted on 02/15/2005 6:31:20 AM PST by BigKPM (Spun by the Times again)
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To: FreedomPoster

She'll be in private Catholic school next year. UNIFORMS and NO diversions regarding who's wearing what, dressing this way, who's hair is whatever, etc.

They are there to LEARN! Nothing else.


12 posted on 02/15/2005 6:33:24 AM PST by HMFIC (The Peace Symbol is the FOOTPRINT of the American CHICKEN!)
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To: BigKPM

.........."The study did not consider Asian students..."

OF course "Asians" cannot be part of the minority population because they excell in grades and creating jobs. Therefore they must be left out of the "victim" status. Pathetic liberal mindset here in action.
But I bet all of these drop outs know every word and lyrics to the hip hop top ten.


13 posted on 02/15/2005 6:33:43 AM PST by confederate66
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To: BigKPM

They purposely left Asians out because they too are a minority and graduate at a higher rate than all classes.
Parents make a difference.


14 posted on 02/15/2005 6:33:51 AM PST by usslsm51
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The study did not consider Asian students.

Why not? Because it would undermine the study's preconceived conclusion that it is the school system's fault. They would be better served to figure out why Asians, a diverse minority group, equals or surpasses whites in academic achievement. I suspect it has something to do with family values and support at home.

15 posted on 02/15/2005 6:34:01 AM PST by kabar
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To: BigKPM

Further statistics: of the group that goes on to actually finish college, 80 percent can tell you about the rain forests and the officially proper way to embrace a tree. They cannot write a single sentence without a great deal of help and they believe that all speech starts with, "Yo." The good side is that they make the older generation look like geniuses!


16 posted on 02/15/2005 6:34:19 AM PST by elephantlips
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Symptoms: Whites graduate at higher rates. One has to achieve specific levels of acedemic success to graduate. Blacks and Hispanics graduate at lower rates.

Root Cause: Public Education is broken.

Seems like the analysis in this report may have been done by someone that failed to graduate as well.

The GOP is dead right on this. The societal levels of personal responsibility and personal ownership need raised.


17 posted on 02/15/2005 6:35:11 AM PST by IamConservative (To worry is to misuse your imagination.)
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To: cynicom

yeah, they want to be educated.

Other cultures don't care.


18 posted on 02/15/2005 6:36:34 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: BigKPM
"It confirms what a lot of people have long talked about and suspected, that New York particularly serves its minority students poorly,"

I don't suppose the fact that just about any black high school kid who tries to get good grades is disparaged as a Oreo or worse by his peers has ANY impact on the graduation rate. Nah, we need to throw oodles of more tax dollars at this problem!

19 posted on 02/15/2005 6:36:56 AM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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This report is crap, as long as they exclude any minority groups. They have to consider EVERY group, and how it is doing, yet they say "It confirms what a lot of people have long talked about and suspected, that New York particularly serves its minority students poorly," but then say "The study did not consider Asian students", who are certainly a smaller minority in NY schools than either blacks or hispanics. The authors of this study, along with most everyone else, know that asians consistently do well academically, possibly even better than whites. But incuding them would "blow the curve", and destroy their pet theory that, in essence, NY schools are anti-minority (read: racist). They would be forced to admit that the schools in fact do not treat minorities poorly, since some minorities do quite well. Either the schools deliberately mistreat blacks and hispanics, which would be easy to pin on actual people (read: get the teachers and their union in trouble; which we all know would never happen), rather than policies; or blacks and hispanics are responsible for their own failures, which wouldn't get any media attention (read: funding). Until they consider ALL minorities in a study, any study about minority performance is meaningless.


20 posted on 02/15/2005 6:37:22 AM PST by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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