[TradicalRC]

They were not free to be self-determining. If they had arisen they would have been slaughtered, just like the students at Tiannaman Square.

Or the confederates in the civil war, or the Japanese-Americans during WWII, or the students at Kent State, or the folks at Waco, Texas etc, etc,. Democracy is no respecter of those who have perspectives other than those of the governments of democracies. They are in their own way narrow, as this thread has shown. Pax vobiscum.

[ArGee]

Or the confederates in the civil war,

Very bad comparison. The confederates had a state, a structure, and a military. They also had funding and international friends.

or the Japanese-Americans during WWII,

And the result of their uprising?

or the students at Kent State,

See above.

or the folks at Waco, Texas etc, etc,.

Ditto.

Democracy is no respecter of those who have perspectives other than those of the governments of democracies. They are in their own way narrow, as this thread has shown. Pax vobiscum.

I can't figure out what you are trying to say. I stand by the statement that handing out the opportunity to self-determination, even using force to overthrow the thugs who are denying it, is never wrong.

Shalom.