Which happened in a democracy, being as it is, a humanist institution, ergo fatally flawed from the get-go. The only difference between the French and American revolutions is they did it quickly while we stretched it out for 150 years.
So liberating a people so they can create a government of self-determination is leaving precious little room for self-determination?
They are free already to be self-determining, but like the feminists of yesteryear who didn't want motherhood to be seen as a woman's choice "because too many women would make the wrong choice" you feel it is necessary to impose your political ideals on other cultures because your morality tells you a particular political system is imperative. That is truly the very arrogance that inspires hatred for America around the world.
As I said, once we liberate a people to choose their own form of government and they choose to live under a tyrant then I'll modify my stance.
Noted. However it'll probably be a theocratic oligarchy and we'll most likely have them as an enemy within a decade from when we ever leave.
And we may yet go the way of the French. Or we may return to a society that understands G-d's relationship to man. Or we may find yet a different way. The issue is we have the opportunity to seek that as we will. It's the same opportunity G-d Himself gave us. It respects our dignity as human beings.
They are free already to be self-determining, but like the feminists of yesteryear who didn't want motherhood to be seen as a woman's choice "because too many women would make the wrong choice" you feel it is necessary to impose your political ideals on other cultures because your morality tells you a particular political system is imperative.
They were not free to be self-determining. If they had arisen they would have been slaughtered, just like the students at Tiannaman Square. The ideal is that people can only be subjugated if they allow themselves. The reality is that not all men are equal unless they are equally armed.
That is truly the very arrogance that inspires hatred for America around the world.
I can't agree. We aren't imposing our form of government, just our concept of self-determination. We aren't deposing freely elected and empowered despots, we are deposing thugs who took their power by force. There is nothing wrong or arrogant with that. I think there is something very wrong with saying, "Well, they must have wanted rape and torture rooms so we'll continue to do business with their leader."
Noted. However it'll probably be a theocratic oligarchy and we'll most likely have them as an enemy within a decade from when we ever leave.
I doubt it. We'll have to watch. Perhaps we can start a thread in 10 years.
Shalom.