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Columbia Journalism Review Still Doesn't Have Clue about the Outing of Eason Jordan
Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 15 February 2005 | John Armor (CongressmanBillybob)

Posted on 02/14/2005 9:12:05 AM PST by Congressman Billybob

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To: FreedomSurge
Expect FreeRepublic to be sued over the O Malley affair

JimRob seems to be eager to be subpoenaed on this one -- the server logs would seem to prove that this whole thing was a set-up from the start.

41 posted on 02/14/2005 2:45:59 PM PST by kevkrom (If people are free to do as they wish, they are almost certain not to do as Utopian planners wish)
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To: Congressman Billybob
For some odd reason, Lovelady's comments seem to be the only entry on CJR Daily which does not permit folks to post comments about it

Which is a darn good reason why he doesn't get the blogsphere - he probably despises criticism and give-and-take, especially from the drooling rabble, which, in his mind, is everyone not on an editorial board at a major newspaper.

42 posted on 02/14/2005 2:49:21 PM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Am I missing somthing or is this Steve Lovelady
using Clintonesque parsing.

EX: X says "Republicans do not care about the educating the poor"
Y replies "I am a Republican and I volunteer one day a week to tutor disadvanteged youth and my wife and I donate $5000 a year to the United Negro College fund"
X says "I did not say ALL Republicans do not care about educating the poor"


43 posted on 02/14/2005 2:50:02 PM PST by Jonah Johansen
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To: Jonah Johansen

Good catch.. the liberable two-step.


44 posted on 02/14/2005 3:02:04 PM PST by JesseJane (KERRY: I have had conversations with leaders, yes, recently.That's not your business, it's mine.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Thanks for posting this!


45 posted on 02/14/2005 3:26:30 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: dirtboy
I'm sure it's just an honest mistake that the CJR's site wont take comments, hee hee hee!
46 posted on 02/14/2005 3:56:26 PM PST by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
So ... the question really is: was his best film Blazing Saddles?
47 posted on 02/14/2005 4:14:27 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: Congressman Billybob
In our cases, the "jury" is a few hundred editors in the MSM who make the decisions about what will be reported, and how.

You might see it this way.. but I don't. Perhaps some editor of some MSM will pick up on something here.. but frankly. This source is better and news consumers can find blogs and bloggers that they trust.

Its my understanding that Free Republic has something on the order of 170,000 viewers now. Not network news level yet.. but I wonder what the numbers for the whole blogosphere are now. What if you add Drudge?

I have often seen Hannity, Rush or Drudge as the cross over point for the conservative voices in the Blogosphere. Once this crossover occurs, the mentions happen, then the MSM starts working the story.

I feel this is the difference with the Eason Jordon story. It never crossed over until it blew up. The natural progression would have been to cross over and then blow into the MSM.. but something told CNN that this was going to get ugly.. so they cut their losses early once the handwriting was on the wall.

I guess to get back to the point, why do you talk about being a stringer for the MSM? Trying to get their attention? You are a whole lot more interesting then that. If they are paying attention its because this is where the news gets tumbled and digested right now because the blogosphere is not normally a primary source medium. It is an analysis medium. But with Michelle Malkin and many of the "power" bloggers this is changing. Captain Ed or The guys at Powerline, jim geraghty are doing primary source work, interviewing people and finding leads and doing real reporting. We might have lost a Gannon, such as he was, but I fully expect one or two serious bloggers to join the Whitehouse press corps in the next month or two.

Your message to Columbia needs to be more along the line of ...

Lead, Follow or get the heck out of the way.

48 posted on 02/14/2005 5:05:55 PM PST by dalight
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To: Congressman Billybob
With all due respect to your education, your legal experience and the fact that you have a few more miles on your tires than I do, the blogsphere is more than just a few hundred educated folks dissecting the news. It is currently a highly democratic process, with all the pros and cons that such entails. A lot of folks dive into forums scattered all about the net. I read most of them and cringe, and don't bother responding myself, because most are amateurish compared to what we do on FR. But it is also wrong to downplay what is happening on those scattered forums.

News is no longer a one-way process - we report, you eat. Sam Smith at Progressive Review said it well years ago - reporters tried dipping their toes into the waters of the internet until the aquatic life snapped back. Reporters don't like that. They don't like feedback. They like their articles and their opinions to be carved into newsprint, with hundreds of thousands of copies delivered to the consumer, with maybe one or two letters to the editor coming back that hardly anyone reads anyway.

But things are different now. It used to be that all those who disagreed with the facts and/or the opinions expressed in a given newspaper had to gnash their teeth alone. But no longer. Now they can reach out through the internet. Share research. Dissect the column or the article. And make life absolutely miserable for the author.

Before Easongate, the MSM still viewed the blogsphere as an annoyance. Yeah, sure, we bit Rather in the ass. But he screwed up so bad that he was an easy target.

But there was a sea change this week. It used to be that the rabble out here in 'Netland had to beg and cajole the MSM to dip down and cover a story we were concerned about. If a tree fell in the blogsphere and the MSM didn't notice, well, it didn't make a sound. But a tree fell in the blogsphere this week... and it crunched a bigshot. And that tends to make all other bigshots, no matter what their political views may be, sit up and take notice. And start looking around for any widowmakers hanging over their heads.

Which is why we saw media sphincters tighten across the land. Fox News. The Wall Street Journal. Folks who normally, one would think, would be glad to see a cad like Eason Jordan finally called on the carpet. But there was a problem. It wasn't Fox News or the Wall Street Journal that called him out. It was the rabble. And suddenly, every MSM journalist woke up in a cold sweat and realized that they had lost control of the process. It now belongs to the democracy of the mob, and to the raw ability of ANYONE who is capable to make an argument and win in the marketplace of ideas.

As for me, I will no longer watch Fox News Sunday for validation of the work I do all week to present my views in the outside chance that Brit or some other panelist will cover my views with a glancing commentary. As of February 13th, 2005, we are now on equal footing with the MSM when it comes to setting the agenda. And the news will never be the same again.

49 posted on 02/14/2005 7:37:02 PM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: okie01; Dog Gone; neverdem; GOP_1900AD; JesseJane; SketchMD; hipaatwo

ping to post #49 and your honest feedback on what I said. I personally think that the last week witnessed one of the most fundamental power shifts in this country as we have seen in some time. Please chime in whether you think I'm right, wrong, or should just drool into my cup....


50 posted on 02/14/2005 7:54:14 PM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: Congressman Billybob

http://www.campaigndesk.org/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=146

Muck around with the topic id numbers if you think there should be more.


51 posted on 02/14/2005 8:13:30 PM PST by TaxRelief (Support the Troops Rally, Fayetteville, NC -- March 19, 2005)
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To: Mike Fieschko
Absolutely. I was waiting for someone to pick up on that. LOL.

John / Billybob
52 posted on 02/14/2005 8:14:01 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (My tagline is on vacation.)
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To: dirtboy
Well, good call, dirtboy. I for one have stopped watching the news for the most part. I mean, I watch it when there's nothing else on, but the MSM, including Foxnews only covers stuff that matters to them when so much passes under them that they don't even acknowledge. I tend to read ALOT of blogs. It's the nature of the blogger. I like to get left and right opinions because I find that it strikes a happy balance. And frankly, bloggers have the power of multiple opinions behind them. It's very simple to hit feedster.com and get information on anything under the sun covered from at least 50 perspectives. This is what makes America strong. America strong. Not just the left. Not just the right. It's true democracy where the voices of the people are heard. So I agree, dirtboy. Unfortunately, the widowmaker you refer to too often moves in to fill the void left by a fallen giant in one form or another and then they forget where they come from. But that is a different topic.
53 posted on 02/14/2005 8:20:29 PM PST by SketchMD ("Shut up I'm thinking, I had a clue now it's gone forever" ~Dave Matthews Band, Warehouse)
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To: dirtboy

I think we need more time to see how things develop.


54 posted on 02/14/2005 8:24:51 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
I think we need more time to see how things develop.

I agree. But I saw something in the faces of all the talking heads this weekend that I had never seen before. I literally saw fear in their faces. And I have read fear in many of the print and internet columns asking why CNN sacked Jordan. They are afraid, IMO, because they have realized that they no longer control the news and the flow of information. They will recover from this fear and be formidable for years to come as the power struggle continues. But this was the first time they realized that the bloggers actually had the ability to storm their Bastille...

55 posted on 02/14/2005 8:28:38 PM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: dirtboy; dalight; All
D and D,

In general, I agree with almost all of the comments in both of your detailed and thoughtful posts. I have only two related caveats.

The blogosphere does not have, and never should have, anything akin to an Editor in Chief or a Publisher. In short, there is no desk anywhere to put the plaque that says, "The buck stops here." On the other hand, there are a limited number of people who are at the top of the heap. I'll point, for instance, to Glen Reynolds at Instapundit.

One can quarrel how many people are in the top rank. And it is important to consider both liberal and conservative "top rank" people, even though they will disagree sometimes on what issue should lead, and how it should play out. However, I submit that the most generous count of all the people who are top line effective in carrying any issue in the blogosphere will come up with 200 names, give or take a few. Admittedly there are tens of thousands of participants. But like football, golf, Jeopardy!, rock music, published books, and all other competitive venues, it is fairly clear that a few lead, and many follow and react.

The same is true on the other side of the media divide. There are only a few hundred decision-makers, maybe less than that, who decide what is REALLY an issue over there. When we, the blogosphere persuade or force those few to take up an issue, we have succeeded.

dalight, you make an important point. This may be the first major instance where we (bloggers) forced the issue, and we got the ultimate result (Jordan out) WITHOUT the issue ever blossoming fully in the MSM. We forced the process to skip a step.

This may not be any more than an aberration, however. All along, we were trying to get a copy of the tape, which does exist. Maybe Jordan reviewed the tape, it was worse than any of us had guessed, and therefore on this issue he bailed quickly before the tape or transcript came out, i.e., before this became a full-dress MSM story. Just an educated guess.

John / Billybob

56 posted on 02/14/2005 8:32:34 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (My tagline is on vacation.)
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To: dirtboy; Jim Robinson
I personally think that the last week witnessed one of the most fundamental power shifts in this country as we have seen in some time.

My wife made the same observation. Nailing Rather required bringing the MSM into the fight, in order to "validate" the errors we'd caught in Rather's charges. The MSM was out to lunch for this campaign.

Indeed, I recall that the Washington Post was one of the first to follow-up and develop the Rather story. Yet, when the Post finally got around to covering the Eason Jordan story, they assigned Howard Kurtz, of all people, and he performed a whitewash. Well, the story was on his beat, after all. But Kurtz and the Post pointedly did not alert their readers to the fact that Kurtz was also employed by CNN and, thus, highly conflicted.

I took this to mean that the Post had decided, for their own good (and, perhaps, the entire MSM), the Eason Jordan story was best buried. It was a tacit recognition of the power of the web -- and, this time, they weren't about to aid and abet the upstarts, Lovelady's "salivating morons" and "lynch mob".

Still, Jordan's position eventually became untenable...and he resigned. Neither the Washington Post nor any other MSM outlet ever so much as viewed his statements with "concern" -- much less "alarm".

The Eason Jordan story was begun by, sustained by and finished by the web community -- operating virtually alone. That is a watershed moment.

We're neither kingmakers nor kingkillers here at Free Republic. But we probably wield more power than we might think.

Would Rather have been discredited without Buckhead and Free Republic? Possibly...but the odds would have been measurably longer.

Would Bush have won Florida in 2000 without the efforts of FReepers on the ground, throwing a monkey wrench into the Democrats' efforts to manufacture votes? I'm not certain.

I'm convinced that, without Free Republic, William Jefferson Clinton would never have been impeached.

And I rather doubt Eason Jordan will be either forgetting or forgiving us. Howell Raines won't be sending us a Valentine's Day card, either.

With that power comes responsibility. The guy who runs this place has set the standards. So far, I believe, we've all been a good check on each other. At any given time, every "reporter" on Free Republic has a thousand-or-so of the toughest editors in the business checking his work, testing his theses, confirming his facts...and correcting his grammar and spelling.

All in all, it's an honor and a privilege to be here. And, yes, I believe we've done some very good work lately...and there is, indeed, a new paradigm in the news business today.

57 posted on 02/14/2005 8:33:46 PM PST by okie01 (A slavering moron and proud member of the lynch mob, cleaning the Augean stables of MSM since 1998.)
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To: TaxRelief
That's not the thread that Managing Editor Steve Lovelady put up. His has the subtitle "Second Thoughts," and when you click on comments, that one alone cycles back to the front rather than display a board ready to accept comments.

Though I registered to post, I'm not interested in using CJR Daily as a rule. It's not worth my time. I just wanted to reply to Lovelady only, since we have a correspondence.

John / Billybob

58 posted on 02/14/2005 8:38:41 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (My tagline is on vacation.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Lastly, the tenor of your note to me suggests that you still lack a working understanding of what the blogosphere does, and why it is important. It is important that the Columbia Journalism Review develop a real understanding of the "new media." Absent such an understanding of an influence that will more and more drive the MSM, the Review and its staff will become increasingly irrelevant to its subject, like a buggy whip factory in 1910, puzzled by the decline in its market.

Damn, you're good!

59 posted on 02/14/2005 8:41:41 PM PST by PhilipFreneau (Congress is defined as the United States Senate and House of Representatives; now read 1st Amendment)
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To: okie01
Evening, my friend, I hadn't thought this through as thoroughly as you and others. This just may be more than merely another example of the blogosphere pushing an issue into the MSM. Instead, most of the action, this time, occurred mostly within the blogosphere.

And THAT, as you and others have noted, IS a paradigm shift different from what has come before. As the Chinese say, may we live in interesting times. John / Billybob

60 posted on 02/14/2005 8:47:49 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (My tagline is on vacation.)
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