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Routing for Rahel [Rachel's Tomb]
Jerusalem Post ^ | Feb. 12, 2005 | Dave Bender

Posted on 02/12/2005 5:22:05 PM PST by Alouette

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1 posted on 02/12/2005 5:22:07 PM PST by Alouette
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2 posted on 02/12/2005 5:22:56 PM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: Alouette
The new route will annex Rahel's Tomb to Jerusalem's municipal boundaries and place it within a segment of the planned "envelope" barrier being constructed along the city's southern perimeter.

Yes ! Good news

3 posted on 02/12/2005 5:24:40 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Alouette

lol.. I am glad it was't about Rachel Corrie.


4 posted on 02/12/2005 5:25:59 PM PST by GeronL (--I'm thinking, I'm thinking!)
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To: Alouette
Now, if they would just pay as much attention to Joseph's tomb..
These holy sites need to be protected..

They should be staffed, and off-limits to those that have constantly tried to destroy them.. ( you know who I mean..)

6 posted on 02/12/2005 6:00:35 PM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Alouette; Drammach
"Esau hates Jacob."

Forgive me, but where is that in the text? Without my reaching into it, rather wasn't it Esau who met the trepidatious Jacob with all brotherly love?

That aside however, I agree with this move, and wonder with Drammach, "...if they would just pay as much attention to Joseph's tomb..."

7 posted on 02/12/2005 6:32:36 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Alouette
"If we're talking about disengagement and evacuating thousands of Jews from their homes in order to reach an agreement with the Palestinians," she argues, "Why can't four [Palestinian] Arab families also be moved and compensated?"

EXACTLY

8 posted on 02/12/2005 6:38:08 PM PST by Marguerite
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To: onedoug

http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=2665

In Genesis 33:4, the Torah tells us about a kiss: after thirty-four years in which Jacob had fled his brother's wrath, and in which Esau had never ceased plotting to kill him, Esau has a change of heart. Seeing Jacob approach, Esau runs to him, embraces him, and kisses him.

But the word vayishakeihu, "and he kissed him", has a line of dots above it, which is the Torah's way of telling us that this was not a normal kiss. What was abnormal about this kiss? The Midrash cites two interpretations. One is that the Torah is telling us that it was not a true kiss -- Esau was really trying to kill Jacob by biting his throat. The other interpretation is that Esau kissed Jacob with all his heart -- that's what was abnormal about the kiss, since "we know that it is a cardinal law of reality that Esau hates Jacob."


9 posted on 02/12/2005 6:41:26 PM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Alouette
"They set out from Bet-El; but when they were still some distance from Efrat, Rachel went into childbirth, and she had hard labor. When her labor was at its hardest, the midwife said to her, "Have no fear, for it's another boy for you." But as she breathed her last --as she was dying-- she named him Ben-Oni, but his father called him Benyamin. So Rachel died. She was buried on the road to Efrat -- now Bet Lechem. Over her grave Jacob set up a pillar, it is the pillar at Rachel's grave to this day." (Genesis 35:16-21)
10 posted on 02/12/2005 6:44:40 PM PST by Marguerite
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When Jacob buried Rachel, her tomb was on the roadside outside of Bethlehem. In modern times, however, the city has grown until the tomb is now in the center of town with one of the main streets passing right next to it. Since 1948, a Moslem cemetery has surrounded the building on three sides. From 1948 to 1967 Jews were banned by the Jordanian government from praying at Rachel's Tomb. After the Israeli victory in the Six Day War, the Tomb was reopened to Jewish worshippers.
11 posted on 02/12/2005 6:51:06 PM PST by Marguerite
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To: Marguerite
From '48 to '67 Jews were banned ..

And if the "Roadmap to Peace" is followed, Jews and Christians will once again be banned from the lands "occupied" by the arabs ( palestinians ) ..
Any holy sites will be defiled, and if possible, destroyed, unless there is a muslim claim to their history..
Any evidence of Jewish / Christian claims to that history will be destroyed or "lost"..
We have the evidence at Joseph's tomb, the cemetaries at Jerusalem, and the Temple Mount/Soloman's stables.

12 posted on 02/12/2005 7:00:28 PM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Drammach

Misnamed "Roadmap to Peace" - Roadmap to hell.


13 posted on 02/12/2005 7:03:43 PM PST by Marguerite
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To: Drammach
What the Arabs did to Joseph Tomb
14 posted on 02/12/2005 7:08:21 PM PST by Marguerite
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"If we would have razed the gravesite of one of the founders of Islam, billions of Muslims would have taken to the streets" -- Nathan Sharansky, about the desecration of Joseph Tomb.

The Oslo Accords put the site under Israeli jurisdiction, but on Oct. 7, 2000, then-Prime Minister Ehud Barak ordered a unilateral retreat, based on a Palestinian agreement to protect the site.

But within hours, smoke was seen billowing from the tomb as a crowd burned Jewish prayer books and other articles. With pickaxes and hammers they began to tear apart the stone building. Two days later the dome of the tomb had been painted green and bulldozers were clearing the area.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31203


15 posted on 02/12/2005 7:12:22 PM PST by Marguerite
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To: onedoug
...but where is that in the text?

"and kissed him": [the] Heb. [word 'kiss'] There are dots over the word [in the actual Torah Scroll]. There is controversy concerning this matter in a Baraitha of Sifrei (Beha’alothecha 69). Some interpret the dots to mean that he did not kiss him wholeheartedly. Rabbi Simeon ben Yochai said: It is a well known tradition that Esau hated Jacob, but his compassion was moved at that time, and he kissed him wholeheartedly. [from the explanation of Rashi]

16 posted on 02/12/2005 7:27:26 PM PST by hlmencken3 ("...politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition")
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To: Alouette

Good Morning Thank you


17 posted on 02/13/2005 1:13:43 AM PST by anonymoussierra (Quo Vadis Domine? Quo Vadis? Thank you)
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To: Alouette; All

18 posted on 02/13/2005 1:19:02 AM PST by anonymoussierra (Quo Vadis Domine? Quo Vadis? Thank you)
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To: All; Alouette; SJackson; LadyPilgrim

http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/israeldiary/Tears_At_Rachels_Tomb.asp

As an 18-year-old college student, I had only begun to wade in the waters of Jewish observance, when I made my first visit to Israel in 1972. Coming with my Bnai Brith Youth background, I was ready to see a living Israel and gave little thought to the Torah side of the country. Still, once I had visited the Western Wall and did all the hikes and museums that were part of my summer tour, I felt drawn to Rachel's Tomb.

Why Rachel's burial spot and not Leah's, I really couldn't say. Perhaps it was the lithograph of Rachel's Tomb hanging on my grandmother's wall that I had grown up with. Maybe it was the Sunday school notion of poor Rachel, Jacob's beloved, who had her happiness sacrificed by wicked Lavan. Whatever the reason, I decided I would see her Tomb, so one day a friend and I took the bus to Bethlehem.

I don't know what I had expected from the visit, but it certainly wasn't what I found. My grandmother's picture had prepared me for the small, domed building surrounded by trees where Rachel's grave stood. I expected the tall, stone tomb covered with a velvet tapestry inside the building. What I did not expect at all, though, was all the elderly women gathered around the tomb.

Looking back, I wonder how old they really were, 40, 50, 60? From my youthful viewpoint they seemed ancient and all of them seemed to have come to Rachel full of heartache. Why else did each and every one of them pour out their hearts, voices full of sobs, faces full of tears, hands clutching handkerchiefs and prayer books?

My friend and I had entered the room gingerly, tiptoeing and quiet, not sure what to do with ourselves. What did one do at the burial spot of a holy person? Reciting Psalms was certainly not for us. We looked at the women as if for guidance, and finding none, we looked at each other. Suddenly, without warning, we both simultaneously burst into giggles. Both of us tried to swallow them, and if we had been alone, we probably could have succeeded. Every time we looked at each other, the laughter bubbled to the surface and escaped out of our mouths as if it controlled us.

Now it is hard to understand just exactly what struck us as funny. Growing up with a sentimental mother and a European father, tears were not uncommon in my house. We cried, believe me, we cried. We always took handkerchiefs to Bar Mitzvahs and weddings, going away to parties and graduations, to tear-jerking movies, and the like. Our tears, for the most part, were quiet, well-mannered tears. Sobs of prayer or despair were reserved for the privacy of our own home. I never heard anyone cry out loud while praying in a synagogue.

Here, at Rachel's Tomb, these women seemed totally devoid of inhibition. They were acting at her graveside the way I would behave only in my own room, on my bed, all alone.

These women had an entirely different culture and I guess it was the contrast that did us in. We did have enough manners to feel embarrassed and finally, we managed to pull each other aside. Collapsing on the stone bench, we gave way to hysterics, and although we received sympathetic glances from a bus load of tourists, the guard looked at us as if he was scandalized. Not wanting to offend anyone, we dragged each other out of the enclosure and to the bus stop across the road.

So ended my first visit to Rachel's Tomb. I returned not long afterwards to America, dove deeper into the waters of Judaism, and married. Fourteen years later, with five children, I made aliyah and settled in Shilo, where the biblical Tabernacle had once stood. For various reasons, I never managed to return to Rachel's Tomb until Passover 1992.

It had not been an easy winter. Like every year, we had our hands full with normal family crisis. What had made this year so hard was the intensification of the Intifada. Rocks and firebombs had become passe, and our Arab neighbors had begun using firearms against us. Five months earlier, a bus full of friends and neighbors was attacked, and Raquela Druke was murdered. Not only did I mourn her but I became terrorized. I struggled with my faith every time I or a loved one had to travel.

No longer could I casually load up my family and food into our van and enjoy a day's outing. Still, it was the middle of the Passover week and hope of springtime was in the air. All of us deserved a good time and I was determined that we would have one. Swallowing my fears, we made our way south to picnic, sightsee, and to visit the burial sites of our fathers and mothers. Rachel's Tomb was our first stop and I was eager to step inside. In spite of everything that had happened, I had much to be thankful for.

We emptied out of the car, groggy from the long, hot drive. My husband took the boys to the men's side of the Tomb, and I took the two girls. I entered Rachel's Tomb, my girls' hands in mine, and suddenly the tears started.

Just like the laughter 20 years earlier, I could not stop the tears. It was as if they controlled me.

"Why are you crying, Mommy?"

I could only shake my head at my 3-year-old's question. Had I tried to speak, the silent tears would have turned into heartrending sobs. Besides, what could I have answered? Was I crying for our biblical mother Rachel who had died in childbirth so many years ago? Were my tears for my neighbor, Raquela, who had left behind her seven children and, in my eyes, was a symbol of all Jewish women today? Or were my tears for myself as part of the Jewish people who were still waiting, after such a long time, for "the children to return to their borders"?

Unable to talk I squeezed my daughters' hands tighter. My tears continued to flow unchecked, and in my imagination I envisioned two college coeds, dressed in clothing of the 70s, staring at me and trying to control their laughter. Was I now so comfortable in a synagogue or holy site that I could let my private feelings show? How had the "me" I had been 20 years earlier changed so much?

Thankful for the metamorphosis I had undergone, I suddenly felt a sense of hope and healing that I had not felt in all the time since Raquela's murder. Surely if God had changed me from the giggling teenager I had been into the weeping mother I am, He could change the violent world that we live in to one of peace and redemption.



Ellen Katz-Silvers lives in the Israeli town of Shiloh. Her son studied in the yeshiva at Joseph's Tomb before it was destroyed by Palestinians; she prays that nothing similar ever befalls Rachel's Tomb.


Thank you


19 posted on 02/13/2005 1:22:12 AM PST by anonymoussierra (Quo Vadis Domine? Quo Vadis? Thank you)
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To: hlmencken3; Drammach
Thanks guys. I love this stuff.

And it heartens to know there are those in the Israeli government who take all our heritage seriously.

20 posted on 02/13/2005 6:17:02 AM PST by onedoug
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