Posted on 02/12/2005 1:00:23 PM PST by CitizenM
How quickly we forget:the Constituion does not mention marriage but the Constitution through 14A is the guarantor of equal protection fro all. Heterosexual marriage fulfills that requirement.
If you want to backtrack your remark, I will let you do it. You brought up the defense of marriage through the 14th Amendment, I didn't. The only way you could use the 14th Amendment to defend heterosexual marriage is if somehow heterosexuals are discriminated against. The 14th Amendment does not protect things, it protects people. Marriage cannot be defended using the 14th Amendment, only heterosexuals can if they feel discriminated against because of homosexual marriage. I hope your reading of the Bible is better than the Constitution.
To sum up, I am not using the Bible to justify homosexual marriage. You are using the Bible to justify heterosexual marriage only. I am saying that the Bible or the practices of the early Church is silent on marriage, because it was simply an act of society sanctioned by the state and not necessarily of any religion. The federal govt has absolutely no say on this matter unless a Constitutional amendment is passed giving them that right. As such, the question should be whether the govt (in our instance the 50 states) can deny homosexuals the right to marry each other based on the Bible. I say no, because the Bible says nothing about marriage period. The early Church was opposed to it, and the first sacraments of marriage didn't even come into existence until a thousand years later. The references of marriage in the Old Testament is simply a reference to what went on in society at that time, like in Gn 28:2. In fact, what Abraham did in 20:12 is strictly forbidden in Leviticus 18:9 and 20:17.
The Bible is not the Sharia. It is not a guide for temporal laws, but divine ones. You will be justified in front of God through his grace. Don't worry about anything else.
The Leviticus is packed with references of polygamy, directly or indirectly. Read Chapters 18 and 20.
I won't be reading another word from you. Not once have I stated that you said the Bible supports homosexual marriage. We're done, I don't debate with serial dissemblers.
You are done because your arguments are poor and sophomoric. The above is your own quote. Its implication must be that at some point I stated that Bible supports homosexual marriage. You are a charlatan.
The bible is full of imprecations against homosexuality but the technicality he's playing on is that the bible does not forbid a sexless homosexual "marriage"
You: I have never said that the Bible supports homosexual marriage as you claim I said. That is a lie, and I am sorry you had to resort to that.
Me:I won't be reading another word from you. Not once have I stated that you said the Bible supports homosexual marriage.
You: Its implication must be that at some point I stated that Bible supports homosexual marriage.
Only a left wing lunatic could arrive at such a conclusion. And now I've got your number.
You are the lefty lunatic who stretches the Bible and wants to use the 14th Amendment for your social goal. You have exposed yourself for the fraud that you are. No point in dragging this further. I have no time for an imbecile. It must be past your bedtime.
The Leviticus is packed with references of polygamy, directly or indirectly. Read Chapters 18 and 20.
What does that have to do with my answer?
I addressed that in post #98
My word, how did you get a degree in economics? I said:
1. The 14A is the guarantor of equal protection. That is a fact.
2. Heterosexual marriage fulfills the requirement of equal protection because it doesn't discriminate. Another fact.
3. You read this to claim that I said heterosexuals can use the 14A to claim discrimination if homosexuals are allowed to marry.
How obtuse can you get?
I've debated loads of people on line over the years and the only folks I have debated with your particular style of dissembling, lying and obtuseness have inevitably been lefties. For the sake of conservatism, I hope that rule holds true in your case.
Take it from me, you're wasting your time.
I have no time for left wing punks. Seems we've finally reached an accord.
Sorry I misunderstood. I thought you meant the 14th amendment can be used to defend heterosexual marriage. The rest of your arguments are equally unclear or wrong. Economics is about treating social science with the same rigor as physical science. Clearly you stayed far away from either discipline.
Find me where I said, in your words, "The Bible supports marriage between those of the same sex." For you to show that you have to come up with something close to me saying "The Bible supports homosexual marriage." It is clear you have no respect for truth or logic. Take your ball and go home. If you want to swing in the big leagues you have to be ready to be humiliated.
Are you related to someone else on this thread?
These are not my words you freaking moron, they are yours. You find them.
You said:You will find nothing in the Bible supporting marriage between those of the same sex. What was the point of this statement? Don't try stupid third-grade law school drop-out rhetorical tricks on me. Any reasonable person will conclude that I said something akin to that what you allege. You are a complete fraud and you have exposed yourself. Now go back and study for your GED.
Take it from me, you're wasting your time.
I have absolutely no doubt, but hey, when you have time to kill.
I know what they look for and truth is not it.
Are you related to someone else on this thread?
Absolutely...every single person who has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
..And also has no sense of reason and logic.
..And also has no sense of reason and logic.
Some people are just too smart to be educated. But since you brought up 'reason and logic'.
How reasonable and logical is it for someone to debate or argue both sides of a matter that they clearly stated at the beginning of having limited knowledge of?
You have limited knowledge of medicine. How many times have you argued with your Doctor, about what course of action is better to take in your treatment?
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