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To: Dataman

Catholic or not it doesn't matter to me.

A graven image is wrong.


427 posted on 02/16/2005 9:30:55 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

Ergo, like a Wahabbi Muslim you oppose all statues, paintings of any existing object at all, photographs, drawings, even things produced by the engraved leafs of a printing press? If man engraved it or depicted it...anything at all...except for those specific cases in the Bible where God said to do it: the cherubim on the curtains and the ark, the names of the tribes graven into the stones on the ephod, the flower shapes of the candlestand, the bronze serpent of Moses, the bronze cattle with their bronze ewer...you think that is wrong?

If you are a literalist you do. For the Bible does NOT say "You shall not make any graven images, except as an artistic expression that you don't worship". It says "You shall not make any graven image." As in NONE. As in: everything in the Louvre is a violation of the 10 Commandments, and the existence of art museums is itself the erection of an idolatrous temple to graven images.

I will assume you don't go that far, but that you draw a non-Biblical line at religious versus secular "graven images". Which is all well.

However, if the Shroud of Turin is the burial shroud of Jesus, and the image was burnt into it by JESUS HIMSELF, at the instant of his Resurrection, then it is NOT a "graven image" at all, and it was not made by man, is it. It would be, rather, an image made by GOD, like Moses' stone tablets carved with the commandments by the finger of God, wouldn't it be?
Yes, it would be.
If GOD made the Shroud of Turin to have that image, then the commandment against graven images would be completely inapplicable, because it would not be a graven image, and would not have been made by man, but would rather be a sign left by God Himself.


429 posted on 02/16/2005 10:28:12 AM PST by Vicomte13 (La nuit s'acheve!)
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To: nmh
A graven image is wrong.

That's not what the commandment says. Read Ex 20:4.

The shroud is not man-made.
486 posted on 02/17/2005 4:25:18 AM PST by Dataman
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