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To: Mathemagician; Kolokotronis; NYer
I reply that you shouldn't be looking for someone to tell you what to think

The Church is a collective knowledge of the faith that was passed on to the Apostles and then on to their successors.

The faith did not get "better" as the time progressed. The whole purpose of Ecumenical Councils and Church Fathers, to this day, is to safeguard the perfect faith handed down by our Lord Jesus Christ from getting a "makeover" according to how each person feels, lest we lose what the original looked like.

Just because everyone can read physics doesn't mean everyone will understand it. It is the ultimate arrogance of human pride to say that we should not look for someone to tell us what to think. No one is trying to tell you what to think, but how to think. And, by yourself, you have no way of knowing if what you think is what you should be thinking. The Bible is not the sole source of knowledge of the faith, but a part of the collective knowledge known as the Holy Tradition. The Bible and the Holy Tradition are not in conflict but in concert.

You must understand that until fairly recently, the Bible was not available to the general population, and then it wasn't afordable for a long time. You also must understand that there are diozens of versions of the "Bible" and that various translations and combinations are part of corruptable human tradition.

That in itself makes it clear that sola scriptura was a physical impossibility until recent days and that to say that only the Bible is a valid reference (which one?) is to say that almost 2,000 years of Christianity was in apsotasy. Talk about arrogance, never mind being unable to prove such an assertion by any means.

237 posted on 02/13/2005 7:07:59 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
Just because everyone can read physics doesn't mean everyone will understand it. It is the ultimate arrogance of human pride to say that we should not look for someone to tell us what to think. No one is trying to tell you what to think, but how to think. And, by yourself, you have no way of knowing if what you think is what you should be thinking. The Bible is not the sole source of knowledge of the faith, but a part of the collective knowledge known as the Holy Tradition. The Bible and the Holy Tradition are not in conflict but in concert.

Touché

It's kind of ironic that certain Protestants would even bother with seminaries. Heaven forbid an educated man tell an uneducated man what to think.

Also, it strikes me as rather self-contradicting to tell another man, "don't let others tell you what to think." I mean, really.

It's been my experience that those who push the do-it-yourself approach tend to harbor a belief already denounced as heresy by the Church.

Feel up to a game of "Spot the Modalist?"

310 posted on 02/14/2005 11:03:22 AM PST by monkfan (Mercy triumphs over judgement)
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